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Ka-pi96 said:
SanAndreasX said:
 


As it stands, there are absolutely no laws that say a man cannot voice his opinion that he would like to keep the baby.  He can shout it out from the rooftops with a bullhorn until he turns blue and passes out, if that's what he wants. If an abortion occurs, he can voice his disagreement with the procedure subject to the limits prescribed by laws against defaming another person.

The methods the man has to actually obstruct an abortion are merely limited.

If she tells him in no uncertain tems that she does not agree to carry the baby to term, then what?

Well whether she's made her mind up and can't be swayed or not is beside the point. The man still deserves to know about it and say his piece, so he does deserve a say. As I said before I wasn't saying he should have the final say or anything but at least something and certainly not the no say at all that was suggested earlier.


Again: There's nothing at all stopping him from having a say. He merely lacks the means to obstruct the woman carrying the baby from obtaining an abortion. He can take out an ad in the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, and the Chicago Tribune voicing his opinions if he has the money to run such an ad.



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DJEVOLVE said:
This thread is full of Fanatics, Go join a religious oppressive group and be done with it. I'm out of here. Have fun explaining this to closed minded people who want to control every single aspect of a woman's life. Since you know better than them and want to impose big government to get your way. PEACE! By the way, the percentage of people that want to control woman is a minority and shrinking everyday. In 20 years, you will be but a sliver of industrial nations and thank the fonz for that.


Bad generalizing,and super offensive you make yourself to seem worse than the people you consider bad,since you use inflammatory comments!

Mr I'm against and I'm not religious,so would you mind keep the generalizations out of here,and I used arguments that isn't related to religion,I said how my heart feels about it and I closed my answer ceclaring that women of course can do what ever they want with their body,it's their,they decide but I can have my opinion,do you allow me?I included men to the story,so I'm not aiming  just to women!I said eveyrone can be against without imposing to women what to do,and a type of close-minded person is the person that does generalizations and unjust attacks!I adore gays so I can't be close-minded...

 

 

tak13 said:

Same opinion here,I'm against and certainly NOT going by religion but by my heart!There are many infertile women or women who want a kid but they are in an age that can't conceive,and are able to be great  mothers,love kids and they would kill to have one!

Also,it's very ludicrous and annoying that some presenting that being against it's like saying to the women what to do with their body,anyone can be against without imposing to any woman what to do or not to do...Also,later you might regret it,and then it would be too late and woefelly, surplus that abortion can cause permament damage,you know what I mean!

Dear women if you have an undesirable pregnancy,it's not baby's fault,it's a fault of your/partener's carelessness...CONTRACEPTION LADIES AND CONDOMS GENTLEMEN

It might be a little bit exterme but I'll say it!Thousand times more preferable to abandon it so someone else take cares of it(Surely,double check to where/who you leave it,because there are some bad people/places and the baby deserves a good enviroment)or give it in orphanage than kill it and depriving it the present of life!

Most irksome thing is that some women have obsessions that they would kill it just to oppose to religion which forbids that,just to be ''revolutionar'' and ''non-conformist''!Moronic!(If you do it do it for yourself)Of course they can do what ever they want to their body,it's their,they decide!My aspect though....

No religious arguments,no women-control mood,I don't know where you saw these,and If you knew me well,you would know that I would never use religion...We are not allowed to have our opinion,muzzle us!I repeat,I'm not imposing anything to anyone by being against to something...And If I'm supporting my opinion with respect,politeness and objectivity then,I'm ok!



Mr.Playstation said:

Due to an ever increasing amount of various views in life, taking a stronger hold nowadays such as feminism, it seems that abortion has become a much more hotly discussed topic and a lot of people seem to agree that it's okay to perform abortion, i.e the act of killing a baby, which is still in a mother's womb. So what I want to know from you guys is whether or not you personally are pro or anti abortion?

 

Discuss Peacefully


1. Fetus

2. Not PRO abortion, PRO choice. No one is sitting there gleeful when they are getting an abortion like some diabolical super-villain.



Toxy said:
DonFerrari said:


grow ups is a bunch of cell as well... and cientists haven't even much knowledge about human brain, much less "proven" when life begins... if an unicelular being can be called a life why do you want to quantify how many cells a baby needs to be called life?

Because when the embryo first forms, it does not even resemble the figure of a baby. It clearly does not represent the form of a human, therefore it simply a bunch of cells.

There are way to many extremists on this site, it is making me more and more uncomfortable coming here.

They have opinions, however they have no idea or grasp of reality.

One should not have to endure the criticisms of those who have no idea what functions as a life form and what does not. 

The early stages of pregnancy, the cells have not formed a heart nor a brain. How could you consider removing these cells as murder? It is nothing but propaganda to control others and hinder the minds of those who are not willing to accept the truth. 

I dare say that those who are opposed to abortion are likely religious. It is generally the talk of the soul and all of that as an excuse. Religion women are often oppressed, whether it be women creating the original sin, or men generally being the dominant gender as their 'god' is also a male. 
Those are anti-abortion are just looking for another way to oppress women, and invalidate any sort of progress.

You also failed to respond to what I said about contraception not being 100% preventative of pregnancy.
Those who are being responsible and do not want to conceive should not have to have their lives rotate around a simple mishap.

I'm atheist, and still anti-abortion, but as I said if someone decides to make the stupid mistake of terminating, that is their choice. I would judge the action on my personal believe according to the reasons, but wouldn't misthreat the person... so all your points on that doesn't apply to me.

On the contraception I said my opinion, myself and other family members are fruit of failed preventive, and I'm very gratefull for it. And when doing sex the risk still exist, I'm still against abortion even when precaution is take, becaue you assume the risk, but as i said is the decision of the 2 involved... and you know several people live in orgy style life and think pregnancy is an inconvenience that can be neutralized after if necessary. But I also doesn't think the government should interfere, but rigid control must be done to allow for proper diligency, abuse and all the parties right.



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the-pi-guy said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

yes and a sperm cell is capable of becoming life. Same way as if I am a magnificent singer I have the potential for being a lead in a boyband, I need other members but the definition works.

Science has provided a solid definition, unless you have another that you can pose your point is mute.

In the same way that  if a sperm never meets an egg, you can't have life.  

If you can never sing, then you can't be a singer.  Regardless of your ability to do so, and regardless of the sperm's ability to do so.  

Science can and has provided a definition for life.  But it can't define when it matters, just in the same way that science can't determine the best favorite color.  

It's a subjective argument that depends on the person.   



You've literally just solidifed the meaning of POTENTIAL. It means you can but it doesn't mean you WILL. I CAN be in a boyband, it doesn't mean I WILL. My sperm CAN develop into life it doesn't mean it WILL if it never meets an egg. It has the potential. 

Ohh the matters part is purely opinion, but if the potential matters then a lot of 13 year olds are fucked. 



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RadiantDanceMachine said:
Mr.Playstation said:

Due to an ever increasing amount of various views in life, taking a stronger hold nowadays such as feminism, it seems that abortion has become a much more hotly discussed topic and a lot of people seem to agree that it's okay to perform abortion, i.e the act of killing a baby, which is still in a mother's womb. So what I want to know from you guys is whether or not you personally are pro or anti abortion?

 

Discuss Peacefully


1. Fetus

2. Not PRO abortion, PRO choice. No one is sitting there gleeful when they are getting an abortion like some diabolical super-villain.

You've set a standard with your first post. Welcome to Vgchartz. 



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ArchangelMadzz said:
DonFerrari said:

Were only disagreeing with your seemingly lack of consequences and accident route on drugs... on having support to leave it or being in jail just for consumptiion I'm against (but while the law is that they must abide).

Lack of consequences? I'm saying drugs should be legalised so we can help addicts instead of throwing them in prision. How can you disagree with both? If drugs are illegal you have to put them away. Unless you change the law... which would then make it legal..


Both ways of dealing with the drug abuse have their upsides and their downsides. Many people see lighter punishments as encouraging drug abuse by removing the negative consequences, while jail time obviously has the issues you pointed out such as increasing peoples criminal status. I don't think there is enough data to make a definitive conclusion, but there are multiple sides...

Also, I think you need to understand the difference between legalization and decriminalization. Legalization would have distribution of cocaine next to cigarettes, while decriminalization would change the penalties. Which are you in favor of?



sundin13 said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Lack of consequences? I'm saying drugs should be legalised so we can help addicts instead of throwing them in prision. How can you disagree with both? If drugs are illegal you have to put them away. Unless you change the law... which would then make it legal..


Both ways of dealing with the drug abuse have their upsides and their downsides. Many people see lighter punishments as encouraging drug abuse by removing the negative consequences, while jail time obviously has the issues you pointed out such as increasing peoples criminal status. I don't think there is enough data to make a definitive conclusion, but there are multiple sides...

Also, I think you need to understand the difference between legalization and decriminalization. Legalization would have distribution of cocaine next to cigarettes, while decriminalization would change the penalties. Which are you in favor of?

And people who think helping people rather than punishing them as a way of encouraging it are stupid and they probably would've used drugs anyway.

That is an oversight my bad, decriminalisation definitely. 



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ArchangelMadzz said:
DonFerrari said:

That is because you regard yourself as superior... have I said abortion is a wonderfull experience??? Yet there are people that take multiple, so it certainly is easier solution for several people.

A lot of people had pregnancy using protection, all of them gave birth to functional citizens and none of their lifes were screwed by it... but I bet all the aborted fetus got their life screwed.

Science is often wrong and changing terms... mind you that there were cases of fetus being born with way less than 24 weeks right? So that boundaries is still being pushed... but yes let's say that because it can't survive on it's own it isn't a life... why don't we just drop all babies on the streets and see if they can survive on their own (yes I streatching... but for someone with such high knowledge as you, you probably choose the words you wanted to use).

I don't regard myself as superior, if I tell someone they suck at singing it doesn't mean I'm beyonce. 

Yes, they gave birth to it because they knew they could. And I support that fully that's why it's called PRO CHOICE.

Fetus' have survived being born less than 24 weeks? And people have smoked for 80 years and not suffered at all from it, I guess we should re think the whole smoking being harmful thing?

And I'm not even going to acknowledge that last part because you clearly know how ridiculous that was and I'm not sure why you wasted the energy to put it.

You were very disrespectful on 2 occasions on calling me ineducated on the matter and talking shovel. So yes you regard yourself superior.

Yes there were cases of less than 22 weeks, so your argument that life is just after 24 weeks because that is when it can live in the outside world is lost or should retract (and keep retracting while science advances to support birth at even younger age). There is no such thing as not suffering at all from 80 years smoking, you can say they hadn't cancer or anything like that, but show a clean lungue from someone that smoke for 80 years (really smoked, not one cigar every blue moon). And cigars only affect the idiot smoking, so it's a completely different matter.



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