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JRPGfan on 11 May 2015
Captain_Yuri said:

Sonic Boom Sold More than Persona 4 Ultimax?

Ahh a Persona fighter.... yeah not really a fan of those either.

But Its probably a better fighter than Sonic Boom is a platformer.



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Darwinianevolution on 11 May 2015
Ruler said:
Darwinianevolution said:
Sonic Boom is a sales success while dozens of other titles barely make any money. Sad.


That was the general problem with sega since the megadrive


It's amazing how concentrated the sales of Sega's IPs are.

Pos Game Platform Year Genre Publisher North America Europe Japan Rest of World Global
1 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Wii 2007 Sports Sega 2.57 3.84 0.66 0.91 7.97
2 Sonic the Hedgehog 2 GEN 1992 Platform Sega 4.47 1.20 0.16 0.19 6.03
3 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games DS 2008 Sports Sega 1.62 2.44 0.44 0.58 5.09
4 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games Wii 2009 Sports Sega 1.87 1.94 0.22 0.48 4.52
5 Sonic the Hedgehog GEN 1991 Platform Sega 3.03 0.91 0.26 0.13 4.34
6 Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games Wii 2011 Sports Sega 1.12 1.84 0.27 0.45 3.69
7 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games DS 2009 Sports Sega 1.20 1.61 0.27 0.38 3.45
8 Sonic Rush DS 2005 Platform Sega 1.21 1.56 0.06 0.29 3.12
9 Sonic Heroes PS2 2003 Platform Sega 1.04 1.37 0.06 0.49 2.96
10 Sonic Mega Collection Plus PS2 2004 Misc Sega 1.54 1.14 0.00 0.22 2.90
11 Sega Superstars Tennis X360 2008 Sports Sega 1.75 0.86 0.00 0.28 2.89
12 Sonic and the Secret Rings Wii 2007 Platform Sega 1.20 1.19 0.04 0.29 2.71
13 ESPN NFL 2K5 PS2 2004 Sports Sega 2.15 0.12 0.00 0.36 2.62
14 Streets of Rage GEN 1990 Action Sega 1.86 0.55 0.11 0.08 2.60
15 Sonic Adventure 2 Battle GC 2001 Platform Sega 1.70 0.59 0.21 0.07 2.56
16 Crazy Taxi PS2 2001 Racing Acclaim Entertainment 1.13 1.12 0.06 0.22 2.52
17 Sonic Adventure DC 1998 Platform Sega 1.26 0.61 0.46 0.08 2.42
18 Sonic Advance GBA 2001 Platform Sega 1.19 0.71 0.22 0.13 2.24
19 Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz Wii 2006 Misc Sega 1.05 0.91 0.04 0.23 2.23
20 Sonic Unleashed Wii 2008 Platform Sega 1.26 0.67 0.02 0.21 2.15
21 Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection PS3 2009 Misc Sega 1.26 0.59 0.00 0.28 2.13
22 Sonic Mega Collection GC 2002 Misc Infogrames 1.47 0.48 0.05 0.06 2.05
23 Virtua Fighter 2 SAT 1995 Fighting Sega 0.34 0.26 1.30 0.03 1.93
24 2 Games in 1: Sonic Advance & ChuChu Rocket! GBA 2005 Misc THQ 1.31 0.49 0.00 0.03 1.83
25 Sonic & Knuckles GEN 1994 Platform Sega 1.24 0.43 0.03 0.12 1.82
26 Crazy Taxi DC 2000 Racing Sega 1.10 0.51 0.12 0.08 1.81
27 Virtua Fighter 4 PS2 2002 Fighting Sega 0.78 0.44 0.56 0.04 1.81
28 Sonic Advance 2 GBA 2002 Platform Sega 0.93 0.59 0.21 0.07 1.80
29 The Getaway: Black Monday PS2 2004 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.39 1.01 0.02 0.36 1.78
30 Sonic Classic Collection DS 2010 Platform Sega 0.90 0.70 0.00 0.17 1.77
31 Sonic the Hedgehog 3 GEN 1994 Platform Sega 1.02 0.47 0.20 0.07 1.76
32 Sonic Colors Wii 2010 Platform Sega 0.91 0.59 0.01 0.15 1.66
33 Street Fighter II': Special Champion Edition GEN 1992 Fighting Sega 1.00 0.30 0.31 0.04 1.66
34 ESPN NFL 2K5 XB 2004 Sports Sega 1.54 0.02 0.00 0.07 1.63
35 Sonic Heroes GC 2003 Platform Sega 1.05 0.44 0.06 0.04 1.60
36 ESPN NBA 2K5 PS2 2004 Sports Global Star 1.26 0.12 0.00 0.21 1.59
37 Super Monkey Ball 2 GC 2002 Puzzle Atari 1.11 0.31 0.06 0.04 1.52
38 Sonic Generations PS3 2011 Platform Sega 0.54 0.67 0.02 0.27 1.51
39 Football Manager 2012 PC 2011 Sports Sega 0.02 1.15 0.00 0.34 1.50
40 Sonic CD SCD 1993 Platform Sega 1.00 0.36 0.09 0.05 1.50
41 Sonic Rivals 2 PSP 2007 Racing Sega 0.44 0.66 0.00 0.38 1.49
42 Super Monkey Ball GC 2001 Puzzle Atari 0.95 0.37 0.10 0.04 1.46
43 The House of the Dead 2 & 3 Return Wii 2008 Shooter Sega 0.77 0.49 0.03 0.15 1.44
44 Sega Genesis Collection PSP 2006 Misc Sega 0.52 0.57 0.00 0.34 1.43
45 Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing Wii 2010 Racing Sega 0.61 0.67 0.00 0.15 1.42
46 Sonic Rivals PSP 2006 Racing Sega 0.73 0.41 0.00 0.28 1.42
47 Disney's The Lion King GEN 1994 Platform Virgin Interactive 0.97 0.37 0.03 0.05 1.41
48 Sonic Advance 3 GBA 2004 Platform THQ 0.74 0.52 0.08 0.06 1.40
49 Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection X360 2009 Misc Sega 0.79 0.41 0.00 0.12 1.33
50 NFL 2K3 PS2 2002 Sports Atari 1.06 0.08 0.00 0.18 1.32
51 Sonic Generations X360 2011 Platform Sega 0.65 0.51 0.00 0.13 1.30
52 Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut GC 2003 Platform Sega 0.87 0.30 0.06 0.03 1.27
53 Sonic Colors DS 2010 Platform Sega 0.67 0.47 0.01 0.11 1.26
54 Football Manager 2011 PC 2010 Sports Sega 0.00 1.00 0.00 0.25 1.26
55 Valkyria Chronicles PS3 2008 Role-Playing Sega 0.69 0.18 0.24 0.12 1.23
56 NBA 2K2 PS2 2002 Sports Sega 0.59 0.46 0.01 0.15 1.22
57 NFL 2K DC 1999 Sports Sega 1.12 0.05 0.00 0.02 1.20
58 Bayonetta PS3 2009 Action Sega 0.42 0.39 0.21 0.16 1.19
59 Shenmue DC 1999 Adventure Sega 0.52 0.24 0.38 0.04 1.18
60 Sega Rally Championship SAT 1995 Racing Sega 0.21 0.16 0.77 0.02 1.16
61 Worldwide Soccer Manager 2009 PC 2008 Simulation Sega 0.00 1.14 0.00 0.01 1.15
62 Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games 3DS 2012 Sports Sega 0.18 0.60 0.27 0.10 1.15
63 Sonic Rush Adventure DS 2007 Platform Sega 0.53 0.48 0.01 0.12 1.15
64 Sonic the Hedgehog PS3 2006 Platform Sega 0.39 0.05 0.04 0.66 1.14
65 Football Manager 2013 PC 2012 Action Sega 0.00 0.91 0.00 0.23 1.14
66 Yakuza 3 PS3 2009 Adventure Sega 0.20 0.20 0.62 0.08 1.10
67 Yakuza 2 PS2 2006 Adventure Sega 0.05 0.04 0.84 0.16 1.09
68 NFL 2K1 DC 2000 Sports Sega 1.02 0.05 0.00 0.02 1.09
69 Virtua Fighter 5 PS3 2007 Fighting Sega 0.28 0.51 0.08 0.20 1.07
70 Virtua Fighter SAT 1994 Fighting Sega 0.17 0.12 0.77 0.02 1.07
71 Empire: Total War PC 2009 Strategy Sega 0.00 0.95 0.00 0.12 1.07
72 Sonic and the Black Knight Wii 2009 Platform Sega 0.62 0.34 0.01 0.10 1.06
73 Sega Superstars Tennis Wii 2008 Sports Sega 0.28 0.65 0.00 0.13 1.05
74 NBA 2K3 PS2 2002 Sports Sega 0.51 0.40 0.00 0.13 1.05
75 Virtua Tennis 3 PS3 2007 Sports Sega 0.22 0.58 0.03 0.22 1.05
76 Aliens vs Predator X360 2010 Shooter Sega 0.54 0.40 0.00 0.11 1.05
77 Sonic Free Riders X360 2010 Racing Sega 0.71 0.25 0.00 0.08 1.04
78 Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing DS 2010 Racing Sega 0.43 0.50 0.00 0.11 1.04
79 Aliens vs Predator PS3 2010 Shooter Sega 0.40 0.45 0.00 0.18 1.03
80 Sonic the Hedgehog X360 2006 Platform Sega 0.42 0.48 0.00 0.11 1.01
81 Oshare Majo Love and Berry: DS Collection DS 2006 Misc Sega 0.00 0.00 1.01 0.00 1.01
82 Sonic Unleashed PS3 2008 Platform Sega 0.54 0.31 0.01 0.14 1.00

VGChartz List of 1 million sellers published by Sega.

 

More than half of those million sellers are Sonic.



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Megaoverlord12 on 11 May 2015
Darwinianevolution said:
Ruler said:


It's amazing how concentrated the sales of Sega's IPs are.

Pos Game Platform Year Genre Publisher North America Europe Japan Rest of World Global
1 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games Wii 2007 Sports Sega 2.57 3.84 0.66 0.91 7.97
2 Sonic the Hedgehog 2 GEN 1992 Platform Sega 4.47 1.20 0.16 0.19 6.03
3 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games DS 2008 Sports Sega 1.62 2.44 0.44 0.58 5.09
4 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games Wii 2009 Sports Sega 1.87 1.94 0.22 0.48 4.52
5 Sonic the Hedgehog GEN 1991 Platform Sega 3.03 0.91 0.26 0.13 4.34
6 Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games Wii 2011 Sports Sega 1.12 1.84 0.27 0.45 3.69
7 Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games DS 2009 Sports Sega 1.20 1.61 0.27 0.38 3.45
8 Sonic Rush DS 2005 Platform Sega 1.21 1.56 0.06 0.29 3.12
9 Sonic Heroes PS2 2003 Platform Sega 1.04 1.37 0.06 0.49 2.96
10 Sonic Mega Collection Plus PS2 2004 Misc Sega 1.54 1.14 0.00 0.22 2.90
11 Sega Superstars Tennis X360 2008 Sports Sega 1.75 0.86 0.00 0.28 2.89
12 Sonic and the Secret Rings Wii 2007 Platform Sega 1.20 1.19 0.04 0.29 2.71
13 ESPN NFL 2K5 PS2 2004 Sports Sega 2.15 0.12 0.00 0.36 2.62
14 Streets of Rage GEN 1990 Action Sega 1.86 0.55 0.11 0.08 2.60
15 Sonic Adventure 2 Battle GC 2001 Platform Sega 1.70 0.59 0.21 0.07 2.56
16 Crazy Taxi PS2 2001 Racing Acclaim Entertainment 1.13 1.12 0.06 0.22 2.52
17 Sonic Adventure DC 1998 Platform Sega 1.26 0.61 0.46 0.08 2.42
18 Sonic Advance GBA 2001 Platform Sega 1.19 0.71 0.22 0.13 2.24
19 Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz Wii 2006 Misc Sega 1.05 0.91 0.04 0.23 2.23
20 Sonic Unleashed Wii 2008 Platform Sega 1.26 0.67 0.02 0.21 2.15
21 Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection PS3 2009 Misc Sega 1.26 0.59 0.00 0.28 2.13
22 Sonic Mega Collection GC 2002 Misc Infogrames 1.47 0.48 0.05 0.06 2.05
23 Virtua Fighter 2 SAT 1995 Fighting Sega 0.34 0.26 1.30 0.03 1.93
24 2 Games in 1: Sonic Advance & ChuChu Rocket! GBA 2005 Misc THQ 1.31 0.49 0.00 0.03 1.83
25 Sonic & Knuckles GEN 1994 Platform Sega 1.24 0.43 0.03 0.12 1.82
26 Crazy Taxi DC 2000 Racing Sega 1.10 0.51 0.12 0.08 1.81
27 Virtua Fighter 4 PS2 2002 Fighting Sega 0.78 0.44 0.56 0.04 1.81
28 Sonic Advance 2 GBA 2002 Platform Sega 0.93 0.59 0.21 0.07 1.80
29 The Getaway: Black Monday PS2 2004 Action Sony Computer Entertainment 0.39 1.01 0.02 0.36 1.78
30 Sonic Classic Collection DS 2010 Platform Sega 0.90 0.70 0.00 0.17 1.77
31 Sonic the Hedgehog 3 GEN 1994 Platform Sega 1.02 0.47 0.20 0.07 1.76
32 Sonic Colors Wii 2010 Platform Sega 0.91 0.59 0.01 0.15 1.66
33 Street Fighter II': Special Champion Edition GEN 1992 Fighting Sega 1.00 0.30 0.31 0.04 1.66
34 ESPN NFL 2K5 XB 2004 Sports Sega 1.54 0.02 0.00 0.07 1.63
35 Sonic Heroes GC 2003 Platform Sega 1.05 0.44 0.06 0.04 1.60
36 ESPN NBA 2K5 PS2 2004 Sports Global Star 1.26 0.12 0.00 0.21 1.59
37 Super Monkey Ball 2 GC 2002 Puzzle Atari 1.11 0.31 0.06 0.04 1.52
38 Sonic Generations PS3 2011 Platform Sega 0.54 0.67 0.02 0.27 1.51
39 Football Manager 2012 PC 2011 Sports Sega 0.02 1.15 0.00 0.34 1.50
40 Sonic CD SCD 1993 Platform Sega 1.00 0.36 0.09 0.05 1.50
41 Sonic Rivals 2 PSP 2007 Racing Sega 0.44 0.66 0.00 0.38 1.49
42 Super Monkey Ball GC 2001 Puzzle Atari 0.95 0.37 0.10 0.04 1.46
43 The House of the Dead 2 & 3 Return Wii 2008 Shooter Sega 0.77 0.49 0.03 0.15 1.44
44 Sega Genesis Collection PSP 2006 Misc Sega 0.52 0.57 0.00 0.34 1.43
45 Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing Wii 2010 Racing Sega 0.61 0.67 0.00 0.15 1.42
46 Sonic Rivals PSP 2006 Racing Sega 0.73 0.41 0.00 0.28 1.42
47 Disney's The Lion King GEN 1994 Platform Virgin Interactive 0.97 0.37 0.03 0.05 1.41
48 Sonic Advance 3 GBA 2004 Platform THQ 0.74 0.52 0.08 0.06 1.40
49 Sonic's Ultimate Genesis Collection X360 2009 Misc Sega 0.79 0.41 0.00 0.12 1.33
50 NFL 2K3 PS2 2002 Sports Atari 1.06 0.08 0.00 0.18 1.32
51 Sonic Generations X360 2011 Platform Sega 0.65 0.51 0.00 0.13 1.30
52 Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut GC 2003 Platform Sega 0.87 0.30 0.06 0.03 1.27
53 Sonic Colors DS 2010 Platform Sega 0.67 0.47 0.01 0.11 1.26
54 Football Manager 2011 PC 2010 Sports Sega 0.00 1.00 0.00 0.25 1.26
55 Valkyria Chronicles PS3 2008 Role-Playing Sega 0.69 0.18 0.24 0.12 1.23
56 NBA 2K2 PS2 2002 Sports Sega 0.59 0.46 0.01 0.15 1.22
57 NFL 2K DC 1999 Sports Sega 1.12 0.05 0.00 0.02 1.20
58 Bayonetta PS3 2009 Action Sega 0.42 0.39 0.21 0.16 1.19
59 Shenmue DC 1999 Adventure Sega 0.52 0.24 0.38 0.04 1.18
60 Sega Rally Championship SAT 1995 Racing Sega 0.21 0.16 0.77 0.02 1.16
61 Worldwide Soccer Manager 2009 PC 2008 Simulation Sega 0.00 1.14 0.00 0.01 1.15
62 Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games 3DS 2012 Sports Sega 0.18 0.60 0.27 0.10 1.15
63 Sonic Rush Adventure DS 2007 Platform Sega 0.53 0.48 0.01 0.12 1.15
64 Sonic the Hedgehog PS3 2006 Platform Sega 0.39 0.05 0.04 0.66 1.14
65 Football Manager 2013 PC 2012 Action Sega 0.00 0.91 0.00 0.23 1.14
66 Yakuza 3 PS3 2009 Adventure Sega 0.20 0.20 0.62 0.08 1.10
67 Yakuza 2 PS2 2006 Adventure Sega 0.05 0.04 0.84 0.16 1.09
68 NFL 2K1 DC 2000 Sports Sega 1.02 0.05 0.00 0.02 1.09
69 Virtua Fighter 5 PS3 2007 Fighting Sega 0.28 0.51 0.08 0.20 1.07
70 Virtua Fighter SAT 1994 Fighting Sega 0.17 0.12 0.77 0.02 1.07
71 Empire: Total War PC 2009 Strategy Sega 0.00 0.95 0.00 0.12 1.07
72 Sonic and the Black Knight Wii 2009 Platform Sega 0.62 0.34 0.01 0.10 1.06
73 Sega Superstars Tennis Wii 2008 Sports Sega 0.28 0.65 0.00 0.13 1.05
74 NBA 2K3 PS2 2002 Sports Sega 0.51 0.40 0.00 0.13 1.05
75 Virtua Tennis 3 PS3 2007 Sports Sega 0.22 0.58 0.03 0.22 1.05
76 Aliens vs Predator X360 2010 Shooter Sega 0.54 0.40 0.00 0.11 1.05
77 Sonic Free Riders X360 2010 Racing Sega 0.71 0.25 0.00 0.08 1.04
78 Sonic & SEGA All-Stars Racing DS 2010 Racing Sega 0.43 0.50 0.00 0.11 1.04
79 Aliens vs Predator PS3 2010 Shooter Sega 0.40 0.45 0.00 0.18 1.03
80 Sonic the Hedgehog X360 2006 Platform Sega 0.42 0.48 0.00 0.11 1.01
81 Oshare Majo Love and Berry: DS Collection DS 2006 Misc Sega 0.00 0.00 1.01 0.00 1.01
82 Sonic Unleashed PS3 2008 Platform Sega 0.54 0.31 0.01 0.14 1.00

VGChartz List of 1 million sellers published by Sega.

 

More than half of those million sellers are Sonic.


To be fair, I'm sure if you did that with Nintendo, over half would be Mario or Pokemon.



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curl-6 on 11 May 2015
Captain_Yuri said:

Sonic Boom Sold More than Persona 4 Ultimax?

That aren't many things I'd be pleased to see Sonic Boom beat. Persona is one of those few. :P



Dr.Vita on 11 May 2015

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Blob on 11 May 2015
MakeAccountLater said:
Honestly, I don't get all the hate for Sonic Boom. I've played both games back to back, and enjoyed myself while playing them. Where they the best Sonic games? No. Were they good games. No... Were they really Sonic games... Sheesh, shouldn't ask myself such difficult questions. But the BOOM games were definitely not the worst games ever made. They worked. And they made me think back of all those mediocre PS2/Gamecube platformers I played as a tween. You could say the levels are a bit empty of things to do, but... as I've said: they're just mediocre games. No high budget. No big expectations. Just collecting blueprints, crystals, and other stuff.

What more, I didn't encounter a single game breaking bug. Maybe other people have, but for me it wasn't more buggy than playing Watch_Dogs or Batman Arkham Origins on WiiU (okay maybe not the BEST examples). Yes, there was some lag and screen tearing, but not even as bad as the other two games I mentioned.

Anyways, I'm not saying the BOOM games were great, only that I enjoyed them. Yes, I bought both of them... but I also bought Bayonetta 2 (and 1), the Wonderful 101, ZombiU, Sonic Lost World, Raymand Legends, etc. on WiiU. I just like playing games on my Nintendo systems and I am happy some publishers are (were) still making them, other than Nintendo.

You may think Sonic Boom is indicative of what is wrong with the games biz, but I'm just happy that some pubishers are (were) willing to create non-tripple A games with their franchises that aren't mobile titles. AAA is a tricky bussiness, and we've seen many publishers go under because of the risks involved.

I'd rather try play a B game (50-60% rating) than see yet another publisher go under because of the AAA business. I enjoyed Sonic Boom and I'm happy it did moderately well.

LET THE HATING COMENCE! XD


Yep you are 100% right. Was sonic boom anything other than a middle of the road platformer? Nope. Did it deserve 25% scores it got from critic?  Certainly not.

Seriously most people calling it one of the worst games ever have never played it. It was certainly better than knack and sonic 06. But it wasn't the sonic game people wanted so it's shit apparently 



curl-6 on 11 May 2015
Blob said:

It was certainly better than knack and sonic 06.

That's not much of an accomplishment. ;)



Skullwaker on 11 May 2015

Kinda makes me want to throw up. Kinda makes me hate Sega.

Glad to see Alien: Isolation did well though.



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Ultrashroomz on 11 May 2015

brb, I need to cry.



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MakeAccountLater on 11 May 2015
Blob said:

Yep you are 100% right. Was sonic boom anything other than a middle of the road platformer? Nope. Did it deserve 25% scores it got from critic?  Certainly not.

Seriously most people calling it one of the worst games ever have never played it. It was certainly better than knack and sonic 06. But it wasn't the sonic game people wanted so it's shit apparently 

Wait, that's not hating?! I was expecting hate after the comment I made!! No, seriously, I'm happy I'm not the only one who thinks that way. Your description fits the bill perfectly: it's a middle of the road platformer that features Sonic (but could have easily featured any other character than Sonic).

I only played a little bit of Knack and din't play 06, so I can't judge those games. The only thing I can say is that the part of Knack I did play (and didn't really like) was that it was VERY linear. I may try it again at some point in time though. Sonic Boom (on WiiU and on 3DS as well) gives you the possibility to explore things from the get go on both platforms. There's not a whole lot to do, but if you want to look for hidden gems and spare parts or just go to the next level on 3DS? You can. if you want to go to the next level or epxlore the overworld a bit more on WiiU? You can. I didn't expect much from these games when I booted them up, but I did enjoy that little bit (though little it is) of freedom they offered.

It's not one of the worst games, but I can understand people because it may represent an aspect of gaming they have loathed ever since the first middle of the road platformer based on a popular franchise came out (back in the day mostly movie franchises). As you say, that fact does not make it a bad game necessarily. It just makes Sonic Boom somewhat of a remnant, somewhat of an anachronism. Because: How many movie or other IP tie ins do we still see? Maybe that's the reason I'm defending it. Because, together with Pac-Man and the Ghostly somethings, it's one of the few platform tie-ins we still get. And because I may be getting a bit old



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