| bananaking21 said: muslim here. |
Brother do you mine if i am asking you, are u Sunni or Syia

| bananaking21 said: muslim here. |
Brother do you mine if i am asking you, are u Sunni or Syia

HollyGamer said:
Brother do you mine if i am asking you, are u Sunni or Syia |
Sunni. You?

bananaking21 said:
Sunni. You? |
Alhamdulillah I am Sunni as well 

I sometimes declare myself to be a panTHEIST.
But I do that mainly in conversations with certain arrogant atheists, hoping to make them realize that stating that "god doesn't exist" is just as silly as stating that "god does exist" - as long as one doesn't have a clear, common definition of "god".
Way too many people naively consider their personal understanding of "god" (which is usually heavily influenced by the prevailing religion of the society one grows up in) to be the only reasonable understanding of "god".
I believe that the whole question of "is there a god or not?" is very similar to the famous "42" scene in the "Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy". It's only after the supercomputer states that the "Answer to The Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything" is "42" that the humans finally start to realize that they didn't even really know/understand the question.
haqqaton said:
OT: I'm christhian. I'm not judging it. I'm just saying that, in my opinion, it is a choice. |
No, you don't have to have a lot of faith to be an atheist, and if this were the proper topic for it, I would shred every one of Turek's retarded arguments. Basically Turek completely misrepresents the atheist position. He assumes (like good ol' Bill O Reilly) that atheists believe that the universe came from nothing. Some atheists do in fact believe this (and some have reasonable evidence for it. See Universe from Nothing), but that is not inherent in the atheist position. The atheist position is that when there is evidence to support something, we will believe it, and when there is not, we won't.
Edit: To clarify, you could say that it takes faith to believe that the universe came from nothing (although that depends on what you mean by nothing), and you might have a point. To say it takes faith to be an atheist doesn't make any more sense than saying "it takes faith not to believe in Zeus".
BTW I don't use the word retarded lightly, but I honestly can't think of a better word here. Actually, I should take that back because it is unfair for retarded people to be associated with him. The man is incredibly dishonest, morally repugnant, and it's both funny and sad to see him do bizarre mental gymnastics like trying to justify children dying of cancer. He misrepresents scientists in an attempt to support his view (like you're doing with Dawkins) deliberately tries to conflate deism with theism and theism with christianity, and when presented with evidence that does not support him he changes the subject. If you're going to try to invoke an apologist, at least invoke one who is not a turd sandwich.
And Richard Dawkins is agnostic. He is also an atheist. Those terms are not mutually exclusive. Agnostic vs gnostic is a position on whether or not we can know something is true with 100% certainty, and atheist vs theist is the view that there is a god or not a god. You can be an agnostic atheist, an agnostic theist, a gnostic theist, or a gnostic atheist. The daily mail has either ignorantly or intentionally misrepresented Dawkins views, because when you've got no evidence, you've got to use some rhetorical tricks. If I told you right now that I have a pink, invisible, microscopic unicorn in my bedreeom, you probably wouldn't believe me, but you could not completely disprove it. By the Daily Mail definition (lol Daily Mail) you would be agnostic in regards to my unicorn.
And no it is not a choice. There is evidence, you evaluate it, and you make a decision. If you walk into your bedroom, find your best friend in bed with your girlfriend, both of them are sweaty, and there are condom wrappers lying around, you would believe they had just had sex. You could not, unless you're some kind of master of self delusion, choose to believe otherwise, because all of the evidence points to that conclusion. Of course, different people may interpret evidence differently, but how you interpret it is not a choice, it's just how your mind works.
Don't mean to derail the thread, but ideas like that do have to be addressed.
| Poliwrathlord said: Catholic, but I believe in the big bang. |
How can you be catholic when you believe in the big bang?
I believe in God for the same reason some people don't: It's logical to me.