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BMaker11 said:
reggin_bolas said:

Many NDEs share the same experiences. There is usually a tunnel, a bright light at the end, relatives or some familiar entity greeting you, life review, etc. Also your refution doesn't take into account Seth meta-physics which explains that who you see in your NDE depends on your faith system because all reality is created. So if you expect to see something you most likely will. At the end of this, there is always some kind of objective experience and afterlife. 

I am not familiar with "Seth meta-physics" but what you described seems to be exactly what I was saying: if you already believed something, that will be what you see when you have a NDE. Maybe I'm confused at the logic you're using but to say I didn't take this into account means that it's something I didn't consider and it is a possible refutation of my argument. But you just pretty much repeated exactly what I said.

Life review aka "your life flashing before your eyes" and seeing relatives/friends, that may be an objective experience insofar as everyone who's had a NDE may see these things, but it is of subjective material i.e. your life and your family/friends. It is never objective content. As in, it's not something somebody else would see or at the very least, something somebody else would be able to describe in exactly the same way. We can both look at an iPhone, for example, a have the same conclusion: a rectangular device with a touch screen that's used to make phone calls. But if two people who had NDEs were asked to describe "the kingdom of heaven", there'd be two vastly different answers about that. If they were Christians, sure, they'd both say they "saw" Jesus, but one would say heaven was an endless cloud city where everyone stood in reverence to God, for example, while the other would say there were palaces for each of God's children and the biggest palace was God's (I actually didn't just make these up. They are descriptions of separate NDE accounts that I've read about).  But then, those both would be contradicted by a Muslim having a "life review", seeing his family and friends.....then seeing Mohammed and 72 virgins.

Because you use it as a basis for refuting the phenemon based on reliability. Seth is a channeled entity which says that all reality is created, because the soul is a creator, it follows it will create it's post-death ascension (parts of it at least). This also resonates with Hermes who postulated that the universe is mental. The universe is MIND. 

You conflate the above as evidence there is no afterlife. There is, it's just accounts of it will sometimes vary due to these aforementioned principles. 



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MohammadBadir said:
HollyGamer said:
MohammadBadir said:
MoHasanie said:

Great post. There are very small differences between sunni and shia's but the religion and Islam's main belief's from the Qur'an are the same for both sects. 

To this day I still wish that the Idea of Al Jame'a al Islamiya was adopted by Muslims worldwide. It's what Mohammad (SAAWS) would've wanted...

Lol western people will not like your statement lol, the idea oh having Darul Islam, or khilafah is the most taboo especially for people who hate Islam to rise again. For me i am a supporter of khilafah but not agree on violence on some exten.

I mean a peaceful Islamic Caliphate. Groups like ISIS or other terrorist Islamic groups don't and shouldn't represent Islam and Muslims.

Yeah, but we still dont know is ISIS really a muslim or just another group set up by US Intelgent, or maybe they were being antagonize by media that support Ba'ssad or hate Islam.

My suggestion for all young Muslim to read Al-Kahfi or  10th first ayat of Al-Kahfi or 10th ayat on the last of Al-Kahfi. Inshaa Allah, Allah will protec us from Dajal and his fitnah



Really? I've found more of an overwhelming number of oddly fundamentalist types here. Although to be honest, in 2015 when someone needs to broadcast their religion I think it's usually very suspect. I'm not referring to this thread, but like when people have to put it in everything - their footers, their responses, I find it offensive.

Personally, I'm best described as a Deist. Like Thomas Jefferson, I think there is some kind of divinity that gives us life, or the awareness of such. I think as we do great things we are more connected to that and it's in everyone. But I do not think it has any day to day involvement over who's wins a soccer game, or who get cancer, or what kids parents get murdered while they hide under the bed.

I don't think any one relgion is inherriantly better than any other.  I have some friends that are Christans - in that they are more like Jesus than say an organized one.  I also have Buddist, Wicca, Jewish, etc. friends.  Many are super devout, but we respect each other.


I do find that when people say, "Everything happens for a reason" morally repugnant. Because you are saying some kids starving or being burned alive by their fire is happening for some ultimately good reason. It's ok to say, "I believe everything happens for a reason" because that's your personal opinion - that's fine.

I do think most organized religions are for the most part self serving and some downright evil.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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