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Shadow1980 said:
Soundwave said:


That's all fine and good but explain the 3DS being 14 million behind the GBA too at the same point in its life cycle. 


Overinflated sales in the Americas. As I mentioned earlier, for whatever reason (probably a combination of the Golden Era of the Pokemon craze and the fact that it had the lowest inflation-adjusted launch price of any handheld), the GBA was on fire in the U.S., selling almost as much as Europe and Japan combined. It pulled more sales in five years in the U.S. than the original Game Boy did in ten across the whole region (that includes Canada, Latin America, and the Carribean). Relative to other Nintendo handhelds, the GBA wasn't anywhere near as popular outside of America. If you take the Americas out of the equation, the 3DS fares very well against the 3DS. Anomalous activity—the bizarrely high GBA sales in the U.S. or the DS having ungodly high sales everywhere or the PS2's insanely good sales legs post-PS3 or the Wii ending up being a huge success against all expectations—should never be considered "the new normal" without some really damn good reasoning.


The thing is you can't really pick and choose things like this ... you could say the GBA's success was even more impressive because it came before Japan really started to replace their console usage with handhelds. 

GBA sales weren't "bizarrely" high really anyway. They were in line with the GBC yearly sales. DS had a bit of a slow launch, but it then took off too. 

GBC, GBA, and DS all pulled their weight of yearly shipments in the 14-15 million range (DS obviously went well beyond that at its peak). The 3DS is where we start seeing first real declines in Nintendo's yearly handhelds/sold average for the first time since the mid-1990s when the original Game Boy was fizzling out (pre-Pokemon) and Nintendo slapped together the Virtual Boy to try and placate that. 

The other disturbing thing about the 3DS is that it didn't really gain any further sales traction even with better releases over time and more model revisions, like a normal sales cycle (ie: release of Pokemon, new revisions, etc.). It basically peaked its first full year on market and has been declining every year since, which indicates something (read: smartphones) have attached themselves like an anchor to the 3DS' foot and is slowly but surely causing it to sink. 

All that said, Nintendo can't afford to have handheld shipments sink to 1993-1996 levels ... they had the Super NES back then ... they don't have that today. So that train of logic crashes into that brick wall pretty quick. 



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I think it has a place, as its home to full, fleshed out games and aren't littered with f2p models and pay-walls.



 

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We'll really just have to wait and see.



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Mr.Playstation said:
We'll really just have to wait and see.


You're seeing it right now. This year will be Nintendo's lowest shipment in handhelds in almost 20 years (lowest since before the creation of Pokemon) even with a recent model revision. 

Sony's userbase went from 80 million users to 10 million maybe. 

This isn't a "maybe" any more. People who don't think smartphones are having any big impact have their head so deep in the sand it's not even funny, I mean even Nintendo, the most stubborn company out there basically caved and swallowed their pride to make smartphone games. It's obvious what's happening. 

You could see this coming for a long time anyway, you just had to get off the internet and open your eyes ... any time you go to any airport you'll see the amount of kids playing on tablet/phone outnumbers the kids playing on a 3DS/DS/Vita/PSP by like 10:1, if not more than that. 



Soundwave said:
Mr.Playstation said:
We'll really just have to wait and see.


You're seeing it right now. This year will be Nintendo's lowest shipment in handhelds in almost 20 years (lowest since before the creation of Pokemon). 

Sony's userbase went from 80 million users to 10 million maybe. 

This isn't a "maybe" any more. 


Yes but ur acting like a single generation of decline means that it will inevitably continue to decline which may not be the case.



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There won't be another generation of portables, 100% sure about Sony, maybe Nintendo will try, but will be a huge failure, the new 3DS, an early new generation console was a smart move to make more money.



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RolStoppable said:
It's not dying and it's not returning to normal either. It's declining, because the 3DS isn't a good design and the Vita is a complete failure. That decline can easily be reversed in the next generation; that is, for the company that will make another handheld. And if that happens, everyone will look at the 3DS as the outlier in the line of Nintendo handhelds, because it's the only one where Nintendo made really stupid decisions.


Other than 3D screens which added to the cost of the system, what are the stupid design choices Nintendo made with 3DS?



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zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:


You're seeing it right now. This year will be Nintendo's lowest shipment in handhelds in almost 20 years (lowest since before the creation of Pokemon). 

Sony's userbase went from 80 million users to 10 million maybe. 

This isn't a "maybe" any more. 


Yes but ur acting like a single generation of decline means that it will inevitably continue to decline which may not be the case.

The indicators right now are not good though. The 3DS keeps declining year over year no matter what Nintendo throws at it ... Pokemon, Animal Crossing, model revisions, 2D Mario, 3D Mario, Mario Kart, etc. etc. etc. 

I think this basically is the new baseline for Nintendo handhelds ... 6-11 mill handhelds/year. 



Rankstrail said:
There won't be another generation of portables, 100% sure about Sony, maybe Nintendo will try, but will be a huge failure, the new 3DS, an early new generation console was a smart move to make more money.


U can't honestly believe there won't be another generation of portables, 3DS is on track to sell something like 65-70 million with multiple 10 million selling 1st party titles, Nintendo isn't just going to abandon those sales.



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zorg1000 said:
RolStoppable said:
It's not dying and it's not returning to normal either. It's declining, because the 3DS isn't a good design and the Vita is a complete failure. That decline can easily be reversed in the next generation; that is, for the company that will make another handheld. And if that happens, everyone will look at the 3DS as the outlier in the line of Nintendo handhelds, because it's the only one where Nintendo made really stupid decisions.


Other than 3D screens which added to the cost of the system, what are the stupid design choices Nintendo made with 3DS?


It basically is a DS2. Even if you don't like the 3D, no game requires it and it takes 1 second to turn it off. The $250 thing doesn't really carry much water with me because it was only that price for like 3 months of its entire lifecycle. 

Nintendo made a lot of mistakes with the GBA and DS too ... the GBA screen was *horrible* lol. I remember it was pretty much unusable unless you have direct sunlight or were directly underneath a light to play it. People were going to the trouble of risking destroying their GBA to try and mod it by adding lights to it before Nintendo released the GBA SP. 

The DS' first year was really slow too and the design was ugly and bulky.