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DonFerrari said:
Well that is the problem with American comics that goes over 100 years. The story gets tired, the powers absurd so they need reboot. Japanese manga is concise and coherent, the history does end and don't come back so no need for endless reboots.


Yeah because in Dragonball Z and Naruto the powers didn't get absurd at all....



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DonFerrari said:
The Fury said:

This is about the Spider-man films, plus most big Marvel stuff has only been going 50 years.

But isn't that true for all other Marvel and Dc franchises? Um comics for sure and in a lot of movies as well. It's so ludicrous that they need to retcoon the canon several times because it Always brings inconsistences.

For DC's latest reboot, I'm not sure why they did it (sales?). For the 80s one, Crisis on Infinite Earths, it was needed. At that time they had 2 different Superman books set on two different earths, the major character had 2 different versions and some being different people entirely. It was a least a mess because of continuity.

With Marvel, I don't think it's needed. The history of the characters is consistant and really only 15 years have passed since FF#1 (Franklin is meant to be 12 I think, it's meant to be 3 yrs plus Franklin's age). Sometimes they are needed, like Spider-man's One More Day story but that was only because he was being writen by 3 writers in 3 different books.

Maybe you are right, and with the Spiderman films at least it's going to happen because of contracts and licencing issues plus actors age. Comics though, well, 15 yrs in 50 years.



Hmm, pie.

Ultrashroomz said:
Captain_Yuri said:
Spoiler Alert

Uncle Ben Dies for the 100th time

JESUS MAN, USE A SPOILER TAG!


Its too bad. I really enjoy his rice...



AnthonyW86 said:
DonFerrari said:
Well that is the problem with American comics that goes over 100 years. The story gets tired, the powers absurd so they need reboot. Japanese manga is concise and coherent, the history does end and don't come back so no need for endless reboots.


Yeah because in Dragonball Z and Naruto the powers didn't get absurd at all....

Guess what happened? They ended and we only get random movies on dbz but for spin off on period of times they were weaker, the history isn't retold. On Naruto they just finished and are showing the new generation. Also they aren't retelling.

 

On comics you get rid of all vilains, get to strong, too boring, sales dwindle, history becomes a mess you reboot. And use several diferente writers and makes grave mistakes that need retcoon. I like comics, but they sure milk characters.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

The Fury said:
DonFerrari said:

But isn't that true for all other Marvel and Dc franchises? Um comics for sure and in a lot of movies as well. It's so ludicrous that they need to retcoon the canon several times because it Always brings inconsistences.

For DC's latest reboot, I'm not sure why they did it (sales?). For the 80s one, Crisis on Infinite Earths, it was needed. At that time they had 2 different Superman books set on two different earths, the major character had 2 different versions and some being different people entirely. It was a least a mess because of continuity.

With Marvel, I don't think it's needed. The history of the characters is consistant and really only 15 years have passed since FF#1 (Franklin is meant to be 12 I think, it's meant to be 3 yrs plus Franklin's age). Sometimes they are needed, like Spider-man's One More Day story but that was only because he was being writen by 3 writers in 3 different books.

Maybe you are right, and with the Spiderman films at least it's going to happen because of contracts and licencing issues plus actors age. Comics though, well, 15 yrs in 50 years.

They get rebooted retcooned a lot and for several reasons. it fells like they do it whenever the generation changes, with tastes and all. And to make things worse there are several authors and several things end up mixed. Too many times were retold the origin of the same heroes and same fights. 

 

Why are comics industry so hard to let its guys rest in piece? You need phd to read all the comics from one hero and make it coese. So much people complain about sequels in games and some companies milking IPs but accept a monthly milking of several comics from over half a century.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:

Why are comics industry so hard to let its guys rest in piece? You need phd to read all the comics from one hero and make it coese. So much people complain about sequels in games and some companies milking IPs but accept a monthly milking of several comics from over half a century.

It's hard to know what they do, the reasons these books sell aren't all because of the writer or artist, it's the characters in them. Harry Potter films were successful because it was Harry Potter, not a certain director. A film set in the HP universe but without HP might not do as well, sowhy take the risk, why not just keep making HP, if it brings in the money?

All about what money they can make in the end.



Hmm, pie.

KLXVER said:
Ultrashroomz said:

JESUS MAN, USE A SPOILER TAG!


Its too bad. I really enjoy his rice...




Yep I gave up on spiderman movies.
To many reboots, done poorly in rapid succession = no thanks.



The Fury said:
DonFerrari said:

Why are comics industry so hard to let its guys rest in piece? You need phd to read all the comics from one hero and make it coese. So much people complain about sequels in games and some companies milking IPs but accept a monthly milking of several comics from over half a century.

It's hard to know what they do, the reasons these books sell aren't all because of the writer or artist, it's the characters in them. Harry Potter films were successful because it was Harry Potter, not a certain director. A film set in the HP universe but without HP might not do as well, sowhy take the risk, why not just keep making HP, if it brings in the money?

All about what money they can make in the end.


In other places of the globe it works different. But each culture with its needs, but that explain Nintendo milking, cod, guitar hero, etc.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Awwww thought you were talking about

woulda been far better than yet another spidey series, there is a ton of animated attempts at his story too, it's a guy who gets bitten by a spider and who's uncle dies.... the end.... or reboot as needed.



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