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tbone51 on 24 April 2015
Samus Aran said:
Tachikoma said:

Tobal 2 on ps1 had 200, king of fighters unlimited 2002 has over 60, dragonball z budokai tenkaichi 3 over 100, 
naruto ckash of ninja has over 60, street fighter 3: 3rd strike has 58, super street fighter iv arcade edition has 78, arcana heart 3 has 529 potential combinations of char + spirit god, tekken tag 2 has 59.

I could go on, but you get the point.

Only played this game, but a DBZ character doesn't take a lot of work compared to a SSB character. Thinking of a moveset is easy and the balancing is horrible.

Naruto will be the same I guess.

Quality is more important than quantity.


And Quantity+Quality is what SSB is!



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tbone51 on 24 April 2015
Pavolink said:
RolStoppable said:
Aren't they selling Mii costumes for SSB4? If yes, shouldn't Sakurai shut up?

Yes. The game is also full of clones and new characters are sold as DLC. In fact, they don't want to think about anymore characters, so they decided to pull the ballout and let players to choose their next DLC. Simple but effective.


You really need to stop with the clone argument, its pathetic...



Cloudman on 24 April 2015
outlawauron said:
Cloudman said:
outlawauron said:

Is that really the issue? I mean, they could have easily released Mewtwo months ago, so it is really the release time that changes whether it's a scam or not?

Well, the main issue in question is that companies are cutting out parts of a games, selling an imcomplete product, and then offering the rest of it as DLC to make it complete. However, Smash Bros is already a complete product, and anything that is released afterwards is post content. It's not really a scam if it was made after the game was released.

But there are very few things released that are truly incomplete. There are examples like Evolve that are made with DLC in mind, but I don't think all developers have the conversation of "Hey, let's remove this and sell it as DLC later".  You'd be hard pressed to legitimately say that it's a scam, because companies use it different ways. So it's not evil or good.


I agree on both those points. The only game I thought of that appeared incomplete was Evolve. I considered KI for the XB1, but that seems more of buying the bits you want. And whether devs truly cut content from a finished product has been speculation mostly. It does seem more that when when extra goods are offered as day 1 dlc, or as a pre-order.



 

              

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tbone51 on 24 April 2015
outlawauron said:
Cloudman said:
outlawauron said:

 

 

 

You are conveniently ignoring the fact that Mewtwo was created as a reward for those who purchased both the WiiU & 3DS editions during the launch period.  Where would the incentive be if everyone had access to that character day one?

"Buy and register both the Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U games to receive a special soundtrack CD and Mewtwo DLC from Club Nintendo!"

http://club2.nintendo.com/smash-promo/

Dang, that's some expensive DLC.


A bonus for those that buy both games = expensive DLC, and they give away a soundtrack CD with it?



DolPhanTendo on 24 April 2015
teigaga said:

Isn't Splatoon and Yoshi launching with day one DLC that can only be unlocked by purchasing $10 amiibo's?


Ummmm no the amiibos make the game different not finished there is HUGE difference 



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potato_hamster on 24 April 2015
tbone51 said:
potato_hamster said:

tbone51 said:


Not sure if your using it as an example only, but if not how come you dont think this game is worth $60? (or $40 for the fact of SSB 3DS :)

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Because I don't enjoy playing it. Period. Why would I pay $60  or $40 for something I don't enjoy? Can you not imagine why people might not be willing to pay $40-$60 for something? It isn't worth $60 to me. In the meantime I'd be more than willing to pay much more than $60 for Metal Gear Solid V: Phantom Pain, but you'd probably think that's lunacy.

It's all a matter of preferance.

Also, the amount of Nintendo apologists in the thread is astounding. 90% of this thread of "DLC is awful, and horrible, and ruining the industry. Ohh wait - Nitendo does it too! DLC is still awful,  except when Nintendo does it! They do it right in every instance! Value!"

It's pathetic. Look here folks. The value of DLC is relative to those who want the content of said DLC. Period. You might think Activision are scam artists for charging $15 for a few maps, but their sales say otherwise. If it wasn't worth $15, no one would buy it! There are people that would happily pay more than that for the experience they get from it, because they see value in that. They are not wrong by thinking that way any more than you are for paying $12-$15 for little plastic figures with an NFC tag in them that quite literally cost less than $2 to manufacture, package, and ship to your door.

Don't pretend almost all of you defending Nintendo don't have at least a half a dozen amiibos. It's no different, no matter how much cognitive dissonance in your head tells you otherwise.


lol, now i just feel bad 4 yah.... :-/

I think its funny when people group every nintendo fan together, and act like we solely think nintendo cando no wrong. Many of us calledc FE Awakening one of the best games on 3ds but criticise it for having overly expensive dlc prices just to name 1 example.

As for the "worth" argument, if you dont like a game, thats fine but saying its not worth "$??" because you dont play it is a bit silly. FFXV+XCX somebody might not like because of the battle system/whatever but to say it isnt worth $60 because you dont like it is a bit silly. 

Anywayzzzz yeah all nintendo fans are [insert something], all NINTENDO FANS..... ALL!!!!!!!! :0

He has different tastes than me! How foolish is that? I feel bad for the guy. Give me a break. I see the appeal, it's just not my taste. Awful, I know!

My argument is that Nintendo fans (not all) tend to be heavy Nintendo apologists. They will scathe companies for acting a certain way, and defend Nintendo for nearly the exact same behavior. DLC is DLC. You might find Nintendo's version a bit more palatable thus far (and that mostly comes from the appeal the games and the DLC has for you) but that doesn't make it any "less bad".

My argument about worth is not a bit silly. Have you ever seen a game come out, thought about buying it, but waiting until it was on sale for a lower price before buying it? Congrats! Unless you were unable to afford it at the time, you've just voted with your wallet that that game you just purchased was not worth the release price to you, because otherwise you would have bought it at release.  I don't like Smash Bros. Assuming I had a Wii U, and someone offered me Smash Bros Wii U for $20, I would not buy it off them, because it is not worth $20 to me. What's so hard to understand? Why does this seem silly to you?



Materia-Blade on 24 April 2015
Snesboy said:
teigaga said:
Isn't he charging for Lucas and Mewtwo?

Isn't Lucas a useless clone of Ness?

Only in brawl. did you notice this is a different game?



tbone51 on 24 April 2015
potato_hamster said:
tbone51 said:
potato_hamster said:

 

He has different tastes than me! How foolish is that? I feel bad for the guy. Give me a break. I see the appeal, it's just not my taste. Awful, I know!

My argument is that Nintendo fans (not all) tend to be heavy Nintendo apologists. They will scathe companies for acting a certain way, and defend Nintendo for nearly the exact same behavior. DLC is DLC. You might find Nintendo's version a bit more palatable thus far (and that mostly comes from the appeal the games and the DLC has for you) but that doesn't make it any "less bad".

My argument about worth is not a bit silly. Have you ever seen a game come out, thought about buying it, but waiting until it was on sale for a lower price before buying it? Congrats! Unless you were unable to afford it at the time, you've just voted with your wallet that that game you just purchased was not worth the release price to you, because otherwise you would have bought it at release.  I don't like Smash Bros. Assuming I had a Wii U, and someone offered me Smash Bros Wii U for $20, I would not buy it off them, because it is not worth $20 to me. What's so hard to understand? Why does this seem silly to you?


Just sounds like another "i wont buy a wiiu (or any other HW) intill its $99" debate.

I get what you mean about not being any worth to you, If something isnt worth the time because a person doesn't like the game/etc thats their opinion and everyone has to except it! If i cant stand fighting games at all, does that mean all fighting games arent worth $40-$60 price tag? Of course not. 

Its kinda hard to argue this argument, i dont think i can literally say wat i want to say correctly... So srry but i guess we'll agree to disagree here!

Everything else i'll end it here because we wont get anywhere unfortunately...



DolPhanTendo on 24 April 2015
tbone51 said:
Pavolink said:

Yes. The game is also full of clones and new characters are sold as DLC. In fact, they don't want to think about anymore characters, so they decided to pull the ballout and let players to choose their next DLC. Simple but effective.


You really need to stop with the clone argument, its pathetic...


Lol full of clones!!! Street Fighter s top two fighters are the most identical fighters in history, just the hair and outfit is changed, but i guess it's okay because it's not NINTENDO. It gets old the so called adults who bash NINTENDO for everything they do. Now people are defending being scammed or playing unfinished games because NINTENDO is calling out AAA third parties for doing this. 

And another thing amiibos are not DLC improving a character s gameplay or giving a different weapon to play is just enhancing the  FINISHED GAME. 3D World, Bayonetta, Tropical Freeze are finished games that will not see DLC that is what you should compare other games too. Games like MarioKart, Smash, COD, Battlefield are the only ones that should offer DLC for online multiplayer modes to add more maps to keep play going.



Wright on 24 April 2015

Yeah, I agree with Sakurai. Fire Emblem: Awakening's DLCs are the most obnoxious examples of this shady practice!