JWeinCom said:
Oh boy...
At the risk of being modded, this is the most idiotic, logically inconsistent, intellectually dishonest, disgusting posts I have ever seen on this forum. You have no basis for any of your beliefs, which you are presenting as fact. You have no grounding in the history of religion, secularism, and how they have influenced society. You propose limiting personal rights without any reason besides "I think this is bad", which is fucking disgusting beyond belief (and if you're going to try don't think of comparing my use of vulgar language to the idea that we should arbitrarily rob people of rights). You attribute these "sins" to secularism as a whole, while boko harem and Isis are executing people? When Christianity is destroying Uganda? While the Catholic church is opposing contraception that would help curtail the aids epidemic? While the Catholic Church is shuffling around pedophiles to protect their image? While women in many islamic countries are not entitled to an education? When protestants viewed it as their divine right to conquer America? And you are comparing that to Jimmy streaming Man of Steel and bitching about it? Get the fuck out of here.
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Ya, you might get modded, either way. Let me ask you something.
Have you ever been to Uganda? Have you personally witnessed a preist malesting a boy? Have you personally been to islamic countries and looked upon women being not being allowed to have an education. Were you there when the protestants conquered America?
Honestly, I would be seriously impressed if you answered yes to any of those.
My next question is, why not? You speak against them with strong passion, why haven't you gone over there and attempted to help? Or are you attempting to help in some other fashion? I'm not trying to spark, or win an argument, I'm asking honest questions.
I can't speak for something I haven't seen or done. But I can speak for what I have seen and done. And I have been apart of Churches who traveled down to mexico, and helped build houses for those that needed it, using money that we earned by washing cars, and other fundraisers. I have used my own money to buy food for the homeless. As well as help with homeless shelters that are being funded by churches. I have gone out of my way to be with people who are having very difficult times (losing someone, losing a job etc.) and just sat there and prayed with them (if they asked) or just spent time with them if they didn't want to pray.
All of this in the name of religion. Again I can't speak for something I haven't seen, so I can't speak for the christians in Uganda, but from what I have seen with my own two eyes, there is a lot of good with religion.
Could these things have been done outside of religion? sure, but they weren't. And that's just the way it is. The same thing applies for every atrocity that religion commited. Could those things have been done outside of religion? Absolutely (in most cases), but they weren't.
Bad stuff happens, you can blame it on other people all you want, but the only way to make anything better is if you physically go out there and make a difference.