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super6646 said:
JustBeingReal said:
The lack of exclusives coming this year does make it seem like Microsoft are pulling their focus away from the console space. I mean this year Xbox One has Halo 5, Forza 6 and Quantum Break and that's it! Any other games are available on other systems, some are kept off of Playstation, but there's only 3 outright exclusives so far coming in 2015.

Fable Legends was supposed to be an Xbox One exclusive, it was announced as that, along with Ryse and Dead Rising, but all of those games ended up being moved to PC. Alan Wake got a PC release, so it seems likely that Quantum Break will too, there have also been several rumors about Halo 5 and Forza 6 getting PC releases.

I think it was even said at GDC that most of Xbox One's exclusives will be released on PC too.
I don't know if it will happen in 2015, but I think Microsoft are transitioning to broaden their focus of games across windows.
I think Microsoft will give up on just putting their games on Xbox One and every exclusive to that system will release on Windows. Xbox One will remain on store shelves, because it's an option for customers that don't want to game on PC or that don't even consider PC as an option for their gaming.

I think Microsoft will eventually treat Xbox like they treat their Windows Tablets, releasing regular new models and Windows games will run on all of them, along with the Tablets and the Windows PC OS as well.

IMO Xbox is just going to become like Steam box, you buy the box for the ecosystem and ease of use, but there won't be any exclusives for just that console.

Most of the exclusives are unnanounced, wait till E3. And sony, what about them?


Not at this point they're not, the majority of exclusives are already announced. Games take at least a bit of time to market. Quantum Break, Halo 5 and Forza 6 are all 2nd half of 2015 games, there's nothing exclusive in the 1st half of this year for Xbox One.

As for Sony they have 16 exclusives announced for this year:

1)The Order 1886, 2)Bloodborne, 3)Tearaway Unfolded, 4)Until Dawn, 5)Fat Princess Advenvtures, 6)Ratchet & Clank, 7)Kill Strain, 8)Drawn to Death, 9)Deep Down and 10)Let it Die, those games are all AAA titles, Sony also has these indies: 11)WiLD, 12)Rime, 13)Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, 14)Shadow of the Beast, 15)The Tomorrow Children and 16)Alienation.

 

Nintendo has: 1)Mario Party 10, 2)Kirby & The Rainbox Curse, 3)Mario & Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars, 4)Splatoon, 5)Xenoblade Chronicles X, 6)Yoshi's Wolly World, 7)Mario Maker, 8)Devil's Third and 9)Starfox.

I may have missed some indie exclusives for Wii U, but both of these system have a considerably bigger library of games exclusive to them compared to Xbox One.

 

The argument that Microsoft could announce more games exclusive to Xbox One also applies to PS4 and Wii U, in fact it's downright guaranteed to happen in the next few months. What you should bare in mind is that Microsoft are the ones that are losing exclusives to PC, Sony and Nintendo aren't, they're actually vastly expanding their exclusive libraries for PS4 and Wii U this year.

I'll also point out that I said transition, which means it's a gradual process.

 

My stance isn't that Xbox One will be completely abandoned, it's that it will not be an exclusive box, but that's something that will happen with time, not by some arbitrary end of 2015 date.



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JustBeingReal said:
super6646 said:

Most of the exclusives are unnanounced, wait till E3. And sony, what about them?


Not at this point they're not, the majority of exclusives are already announced. Games take at least a bit of time to market. Quantum Break, Halo 5 and Forza 6 are all 2nd half of 2015 games, there's nothing exclusive in the 1st half of this year for Xbox One.

As for Sony they have 16 exclusives announced for this year:

1)The Order 1886, 2)Bloodborne, 3)Tearaway Unfolded, 4)Until Dawn, 5)Fat Princess Advenvtures, 6)Ratchet & Clank, 7)Kill Strain, 8)Drawn to Death, 9)Deep Down and 10)Let it Die, those games are all AAA titles, Sony also has these indies: 11)WiLD, 12)Rime, 13)Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, 14)Shadow of the Beast, 15)The Tomorrow Children and 16)Alienation.

 

Nintendo has: 1)Mario Party 10, 2)Kirby & The Rainbox Curse, 3)Mario & Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars, 4)Splatoon, 5)Xenoblade Chronicles X, 6)Yoshi's Wolly World, 7)Mario Maker, 8)Devil's Third and 9)Starfox.

I may have missed some indie exclusives for Wii U, but both of these system have a considerably bigger library of games exclusive to them compared to Xbox One.

 

The argument that Microsoft could announce more games exclusive to Xbox One also applies to PS4 and Wii U, in fact it's downright guaranteed to happen in the next few months. What you should bare in mind is that Microsoft are the ones that are losing exclusives to PC, Sony and Nintendo aren't, they're actually vastly expanding their exclusive libraries for PS4 and Wii U this year.

I'll also point out that I said transition, which means it's a gradual process.

 

My stance isn't that Xbox One will be completely abandoned, it's that it will not be an exclusive box, but that's something that will happen with time, not by some arbitrary end of 2015 date.

 

I think you're getting a little carried away with those PS4 "AAA" titles. Fat Princess Adventures, Drawn to Death, Tearaway Unfolded, Kill Strain, hardly AAA titles.



eva01beserk said:
Puppyroach said:
Why should they give up if sales are showing growth YOY? It would have been like if they threw in the towel last gen when the Wii crusched all opposition. The most important part is that they are making a profit and with their new strategy of merging the PC and console space, they are rather expanding the XBox platform right now.

Growth YOY? It lookes that way cuz last year the x1 was the but of all jokes andd the sales of jan and feb 2014 ws not very good to beging with, it got totally demolished by the ps4. The x1 will most likely see a decrease in the coming months, starting with march npd. This holliday they will be up, but the rest of the year will be horrendus.

Not the same as last gen. First the wii did not take awway sales of the 360 or ps3, cuz people had it as a secondry console, this time the ps4 is definetly taking away sales from the x1. There where some diferences in the conoles last gen, this time they will share 95% of the games, but the x1 will play them at a lower resolution and the few exclusives we get this gen, the ps4 will have more(Better will be objective). might be a battle in the US, but rest of the world the battle is over and there is very litttle the x1 can grow.

Second, Looking at how the market share is 61% US(acording to vgc), By the end of the year it will be at least 70% US. We know the holliday sales will focus on the US and like last year the disparity will be even bigger. For the 360 it ended at 57% US. The ps4 will take at least half of the US market share the 360 had and that half will be like 75-80% of the total x1's. 

So 48.32 50% = 24.16m In the US.

24.16 75-80% = 30.2 -32.21m global

That is the max I think they will ever sell, taking into account that all those RROD did not go into the 360's total, wich we know is not true, so Im gessing the x1 will sell is 20-25m lt. Maybe good for nintendo, but MS will see this an an insult and will abandon hip before it gets to taht while bleeding money. They wil never compete with steam, but its less money bleading by competing with them then selling hardware at a loss competing with sony.

So we agree that they've had growth YOY? Good, that's all you had to say :).



dangerguy said:
JustBeingReal said:
super6646 said:

Most of the exclusives are unnanounced, wait till E3. And sony, what about them?


Not at this point they're not, the majority of exclusives are already announced. Games take at least a bit of time to market. Quantum Break, Halo 5 and Forza 6 are all 2nd half of 2015 games, there's nothing exclusive in the 1st half of this year for Xbox One.

As for Sony they have 16 exclusives announced for this year:

1)The Order 1886, 2)Bloodborne, 3)Tearaway Unfolded, 4)Until Dawn, 5)Fat Princess Advenvtures, 6)Ratchet & Clank, 7)Kill Strain, 8)Drawn to Death, 9)Deep Down and 10)Let it Die, those games are all AAA titles, Sony also has these indies: 11)WiLD, 12)Rime, 13)Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, 14)Shadow of the Beast, 15)The Tomorrow Children and 16)Alienation.

 

Nintendo has: 1)Mario Party 10, 2)Kirby & The Rainbox Curse, 3)Mario & Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars, 4)Splatoon, 5)Xenoblade Chronicles X, 6)Yoshi's Wolly World, 7)Mario Maker, 8)Devil's Third and 9)Starfox.

I may have missed some indie exclusives for Wii U, but both of these system have a considerably bigger library of games exclusive to them compared to Xbox One.

 

The argument that Microsoft could announce more games exclusive to Xbox One also applies to PS4 and Wii U, in fact it's downright guaranteed to happen in the next few months. What you should bare in mind is that Microsoft are the ones that are losing exclusives to PC, Sony and Nintendo aren't, they're actually vastly expanding their exclusive libraries for PS4 and Wii U this year.

I'll also point out that I said transition, which means it's a gradual process.

 

My stance isn't that Xbox One will be completely abandoned, it's that it will not be an exclusive box, but that's something that will happen with time, not by some arbitrary end of 2015 date.

 

I think you're getting a little carried away with those PS4 "AAA" titles. Fat Princess Adventures, Drawn to Death, Tearaway Unfolded, Kill Strain, hardly AAA titles.


They're all AAA games, Fat Princess is Fun Bits and Santa Monica, Drawn To Death is Bartlet Jones (David Jaffe) along with San Diego, Tearaway Unfolded is Media Molcule, Kill Strain is all San Diego.

Technically all of those 16 games are financially Sony backed, Sony Published. Hell WiLD is being made by Michel Ancel. It's all AAA quality developers.



Puppyroach said:
eva01beserk said:
Puppyroach said:
Why should they give up if sales are showing growth YOY? It would have been like if they threw in the towel last gen when the Wii crusched all opposition. The most important part is that they are making a profit and with their new strategy of merging the PC and console space, they are rather expanding the XBox platform right now.

Growth YOY? It lookes that way cuz last year the x1 was the but of all jokes andd the sales of jan and feb 2014 ws not very good to beging with, it got totally demolished by the ps4. The x1 will most likely see a decrease in the coming months, starting with march npd. This holliday they will be up, but the rest of the year will be horrendus.

Not the same as last gen. First the wii did not take awway sales of the 360 or ps3, cuz people had it as a secondry console, this time the ps4 is definetly taking away sales from the x1. There where some diferences in the conoles last gen, this time they will share 95% of the games, but the x1 will play them at a lower resolution and the few exclusives we get this gen, the ps4 will have more(Better will be objective). might be a battle in the US, but rest of the world the battle is over and there is very litttle the x1 can grow.

Second, Looking at how the market share is 61% US(acording to vgc), By the end of the year it will be at least 70% US. We know the holliday sales will focus on the US and like last year the disparity will be even bigger. For the 360 it ended at 57% US. The ps4 will take at least half of the US market share the 360 had and that half will be like 75-80% of the total x1's. 

So 48.32 50% = 24.16m In the US.

24.16 75-80% = 30.2 -32.21m global

That is the max I think they will ever sell, taking into account that all those RROD did not go into the 360's total, wich we know is not true, so Im gessing the x1 will sell is 20-25m lt. Maybe good for nintendo, but MS will see this an an insult and will abandon hip before it gets to taht while bleeding money. They wil never compete with steam, but its less money bleading by competing with them then selling hardware at a loss competing with sony.

So we agree that they've had growth YOY? Good, that's all you had to say :).


But saying just "Yes" was a little bland, I had to add some spice to it.



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JustBeingReal said:
dangerguy said:
JustBeingReal said:
super6646 said:

Most of the exclusives are unnanounced, wait till E3. And sony, what about them?


Not at this point they're not, the majority of exclusives are already announced. Games take at least a bit of time to market. Quantum Break, Halo 5 and Forza 6 are all 2nd half of 2015 games, there's nothing exclusive in the 1st half of this year for Xbox One.

As for Sony they have 16 exclusives announced for this year:

1)The Order 1886, 2)Bloodborne, 3)Tearaway Unfolded, 4)Until Dawn, 5)Fat Princess Advenvtures, 6)Ratchet & Clank, 7)Kill Strain, 8)Drawn to Death, 9)Deep Down and 10)Let it Die, those games are all AAA titles, Sony also has these indies: 11)WiLD, 12)Rime, 13)Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, 14)Shadow of the Beast, 15)The Tomorrow Children and 16)Alienation.

 

Nintendo has: 1)Mario Party 10, 2)Kirby & The Rainbox Curse, 3)Mario & Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars, 4)Splatoon, 5)Xenoblade Chronicles X, 6)Yoshi's Wolly World, 7)Mario Maker, 8)Devil's Third and 9)Starfox.

I may have missed some indie exclusives for Wii U, but both of these system have a considerably bigger library of games exclusive to them compared to Xbox One.

 

The argument that Microsoft could announce more games exclusive to Xbox One also applies to PS4 and Wii U, in fact it's downright guaranteed to happen in the next few months. What you should bare in mind is that Microsoft are the ones that are losing exclusives to PC, Sony and Nintendo aren't, they're actually vastly expanding their exclusive libraries for PS4 and Wii U this year.

I'll also point out that I said transition, which means it's a gradual process.

 

My stance isn't that Xbox One will be completely abandoned, it's that it will not be an exclusive box, but that's something that will happen with time, not by some arbitrary end of 2015 date.

 

I think you're getting a little carried away with those PS4 "AAA" titles. Fat Princess Adventures, Drawn to Death, Tearaway Unfolded, Kill Strain, hardly AAA titles.


They're all AAA games, Fat Princess is Fun Bits and Santa Monica, Drawn To Death is Bartlet Jones (David Jaffe) along with San Diego, Tearaway Unfolded is Media Molcule, Killz Strain is all San Diego.

Technically all of those 16 games are financially Sony backed, Sony Published. Hell WiLD is being made by Michel Ancel. It's all AAA quality developers.


Im with you with almost evrything but fat princes? Really? 15 is still impresive compared to 2 or 3.



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JustBeingReal said:
dangerguy said:
JustBeingReal said:
super6646 said:

Most of the exclusives are unnanounced, wait till E3. And sony, what about them?


Not at this point they're not, the majority of exclusives are already announced. Games take at least a bit of time to market. Quantum Break, Halo 5 and Forza 6 are all 2nd half of 2015 games, there's nothing exclusive in the 1st half of this year for Xbox One.

As for Sony they have 16 exclusives announced for this year:

1)The Order 1886, 2)Bloodborne, 3)Tearaway Unfolded, 4)Until Dawn, 5)Fat Princess Advenvtures, 6)Ratchet & Clank, 7)Kill Strain, 8)Drawn to Death, 9)Deep Down and 10)Let it Die, those games are all AAA titles, Sony also has these indies: 11)WiLD, 12)Rime, 13)Everybody's Gone to the Rapture, 14)Shadow of the Beast, 15)The Tomorrow Children and 16)Alienation.

 

Nintendo has: 1)Mario Party 10, 2)Kirby & The Rainbox Curse, 3)Mario & Donkey Kong: Tipping Stars, 4)Splatoon, 5)Xenoblade Chronicles X, 6)Yoshi's Wolly World, 7)Mario Maker, 8)Devil's Third and 9)Starfox.

I may have missed some indie exclusives for Wii U, but both of these system have a considerably bigger library of games exclusive to them compared to Xbox One.

 

The argument that Microsoft could announce more games exclusive to Xbox One also applies to PS4 and Wii U, in fact it's downright guaranteed to happen in the next few months. What you should bare in mind is that Microsoft are the ones that are losing exclusives to PC, Sony and Nintendo aren't, they're actually vastly expanding their exclusive libraries for PS4 and Wii U this year.

I'll also point out that I said transition, which means it's a gradual process.

 

My stance isn't that Xbox One will be completely abandoned, it's that it will not be an exclusive box, but that's something that will happen with time, not by some arbitrary end of 2015 date.

 

I think you're getting a little carried away with those PS4 "AAA" titles. Fat Princess Adventures, Drawn to Death, Tearaway Unfolded, Kill Strain, hardly AAA titles.


They're all AAA games, Fat Princess is Fun Bits and Santa Monica, Drawn To Death is Bartlet Jones (David Jaffe) along with San Diego, Tearaway Unfolded is Media Molcule, Kill Strain is all San Diego.

Technically all of those 16 games are financially Sony backed, Sony Published. Hell WiLD is being made by Michel Ancel. It's all AAA quality developers.

AAA refers to the budget and promotion level.  Not just the developers.  Hardly any of them qualify as AAA. 



eva01beserk said:
JustBeingReal said:


They're all AAA games, Fat Princess is Fun Bits and Santa Monica, Drawn To Death is Bartlet Jones (David Jaffe) along with San Diego, Tearaway Unfolded is Media Molcule, Killz Strain is all San Diego.

Technically all of those 16 games are financially Sony backed, Sony Published. Hell WiLD is being made by Michel Ancel. It's all AAA quality developers.


Im with you with almost evrything but fat princes? Really? 15 is still impresive compared to 2 or 3.


As I said Fat Princess is both Santa Monica and Fun Bits, Fun Bits has close to the same amount of staff as Media Molecule and MM would be classed as a AAA studio.

I wouldn't say all of the 16 games are AAA or even 15, but the ones I mentioned as AAA are AAA games.



Sharpryno said:
JustBeingReal said:


They're all AAA games, Fat Princess is Fun Bits and Santa Monica, Drawn To Death is Bartlet Jones (David Jaffe) along with San Diego, Tearaway Unfolded is Media Molcule, Kill Strain is all San Diego.

Technically all of those 16 games are financially Sony backed, Sony Published. Hell WiLD is being made by Michel Ancel. It's all AAA quality developers.

AAA refers to the budget and promotion level.  Not just the developers.  Hardly any of them qualify as AAA. 


Nope it's a measure of quality, a matter of who's actually making them (the developer's level of talent). Budget has very little to do with it, because budget doesn't always mean it's a great game.



JustBeingReal said:
Sharpryno said:

AAA refers to the budget and promotion level.  Not just the developers.  Hardly any of them qualify as AAA. 


Nope it's a measure of quality, a matter of who's actually making them (the developer's level of talent). Budget has very little to do with it, because budget doesn't always mean it's a great game.

It is a bit of both.  Someone like Media Molecule making an hour long game they don't expect to see well and they hardly promote is not AAA by defintion.