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Forums - Nintendo - Prediction: The Nintendo Fusion will sell 80m+

 

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Yes, it will sell 80m+ 112 40.58%
 
No, it will sell less than 80m 164 59.42%
 
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Soundwave said:
teigaga said:
Lol, too many "ifs" and "buts". The bottom line though...

The software output for the gamecube was amazing but here it sits at 22m

Third party support and desire for gamers to play third party content on the system is the only thing getting you 30m+ in hardware sales and there's nothing in the fusion concept to secure that.


If this gen was a Fusion platform you'd have roughly 55 million portables and 10 million consoles sold through already. 

So ... the portable aspect of it will likely carry the bulk of the sales, whatever they sell with the home version will likely just be gravy/icing on the cake. 

No, it wouldn't. what makes you think it would sell exactly the same as 3ds and wii u?



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Soundwave said:
teigaga said:

The home console variant of this would sell worse then the Vita. Why would they do this?? :(


Because lets take a game like Zelda U or Splatoon for example. 

Right now Nintendo can only sell that game to about 10-15 million users (so it's not like Wii U is outselling the Vita anyway by any big measure). And those games probably cost a pretty penny to make too, HD development ain't cheap on games of this scale. 

Under a Fusion set up these games would be looking at 60+ million users to sell too. Likely meaning most of their big game IP would at least double in sales. 

The seperate console/portable lines doesn't make sense for Nintendo anymore, they likely can make (a lot) more money with a Fusion setup because of higher software sales. 

It's also an idea that wasn't possible in the past, in the past you couldn't use mobile chips to reasonably build a decent home console, but today you can, if you put two or three Apple A8 processors (the iPhone 6 chip) for example into a small box, that arguably would be more powerful than the Wii U in most ways.

Today you can make an HD platform with reasonably nice looking graphics using the same mobile components that are in portable devices like smartphones. That wasn't an option for Nintendo in the past, otherwise who knows, they may have gone Fusion a while ago if they could have. 

you should really stop talking about all this speculation as if it was fact.



Soundwave said:
Cobretti2 said:
I hope we get no fusion as it will be well under powered to run better than PS4 gfx on a home console that Nintendo's next system will need to beat in order to be relevant.

Unless they planning to create some engine that downscales and turns off gfx settings kind of like PC gamers can do but do this automatically.


Look at PS4/X1 development, both systems are 1 1/2 years old now, and no one has even delivered a single "made from the ground up" killer app for it. Everything is getting delayed. And the game development on it is extremely expensive. 

Tell me how a proposition like this really makes any sense for Nintendo? They will likely suffer huge delays with software having just gotten the grips of PS3/360 level development, get little/no third party support (same thing that happened with Wii U ... why develop for Wii U when PS3/360 have much large instal base), etc. etc.

I just don't see it. Nintendo is not going to risk losing millions of dollars so that the 10-15 million people in the world who really want a "Nintendo PS4" 4-5 years after the PS4 has been out can have their itch scratched. 

It's a dead end for Nintendo. I mean I would buy it, probably you would too, but you have to understand this is an extremely small audience that you're talking about. 

what does inneficient teams on other consoles have to do with nintendo's games? Nintendo got a pretty good grip on development with their games.

"They will likely suffer huge delays with software having just gotten the grips of PS3/360 level development"

So you're saying wii u is ps360 level? You're wrong.

"so that the 10-15 million people in the world who really want a "Nintendo PS4" 4-5 years after the PS4 has been out"

And you're saying a wii u successor will only be ps4 level? Also wrong.

You need to take actual facts into consideration when talking about what development policies can and cannot work.



I doubt they learned enough............


They are DUMB af.



Materia-Blade said:
Soundwave said:


If this gen was a Fusion platform you'd have roughly 55 million portables and 10 million consoles sold through already. 

So ... the portable aspect of it will likely carry the bulk of the sales, whatever they sell with the home version will likely just be gravy/icing on the cake. 

No, it wouldn't. what makes you think it would sell exactly the same as 3ds and wii u?


Well if people are willing to buy multiple different skus of a handheld (3DS, 3DS XL, New 3DS) than why wouldn't they also be willing to buy a version that let's them play on the tv?



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zorg1000 said:
Materia-Blade said:

No, it wouldn't. what makes you think it would sell exactly the same as 3ds and wii u?


Well if people are willing to buy multiple different skus of a handheld (3DS, 3DS XL, New 3DS) than why wouldn't they also be willing to buy a version that let's them play on the tv?

people aren't willing to buy multiple sku's of the same handheld, they want a single sku. the only reason some upgrade is because a different model is released AFTER. the concept of the same console divided in a handheld and home console version is flawed because it takes away the value of both (people don't want to have two of the same console).



Nintendo doesn't need to sell two versions. If you want just the handheld, then buy just the handheld. It's up to the consumer. 

And honestly it wouldn't surprise me if a "3DS TV" that played all Nintendo games for say $150, with Virtual Console, and had maybe say 3x the 3DS chip, allowing games to run on the TV at 720p say ... I wouldn't be surprised if that sold the same or better than Wii U.

Wii U is a low bar and it's selling like sh*t. I'm sorry but don't even try to spin like that is selling terribly. They key for the Fusion concept is the home version be a cheap proposition, and using mobile components that Nintendo is already using with their handheld will allow them to get an incredible deal on the chips and keep the price very reasonable (yet another advantage of this approach, you think any of Nintendo's Wii U vendors will give them a break on Wii U parts? Nope, look up economies of scale). 

The main thing for Nintendo is that they can sell their main games to their main userbase, no longer are their best games (usually on console) locked away from their biggest audience (on handheld).

Now that mobile tech has improved exponentially, they can have themselves a nice HD experience at home or away using mobile components, that's the game changer.



I think it all depends on HOW Nintendo make their Fusion console(s); how powerful will both systems be, how will the games work/play on either of the two systems, how will you be able to play the same games on the systems? Will they have any sort of exclusives for the two systems?

There's way too many things we don't know yet for this prediction.



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Honestly if Nintendo wanted to cut the bullshit with gimmicks and just focus on power they could still get a pretty damn powerful chip. Chipsets are not what make consoles expensive and they scale down in cost fast if you choose your components wisely (ie: stay away from exotic parts that can only be ordered from one vendor, like Wii U's eDRAM that only Renesas can make ... and now Sony owns them).

The Vita is somewhere about half way between a PS2 and PS3 .... by 2016, mobile tech will start to inch into the "half way between a PS3 and PS4" territory, and since the home version wouldn't be beholden to the same TDP limits as the handheld (as it plugs into a wall) ... it could be a pretty powerful little console.

Maybe it won't win a dick measuring contest with the PS4, but Nintendo likely isn't interested in that anyway.



zorg1000 said:
Dr.Vita said:

When they fusion handheld and home console yes.

What makes u think that?

Nintendo hardware sales are down from every generation (except Wii). I can not imagine that a Nintendo fusion would sell good. Handhelds are dead in the west and home consoles from Nintendo don't sell good anymore.