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Forums - Sales - February 2015 NPD Thread! 3DS: 395k, PS4: 342k, XBO: 276k, WiiU: 96k

Aura7541 on 13 March 2015
Ka-pi96 said:
Wait... Vita TV > Vita :o

The Vita TV had a huge discount.



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Ryng on 13 March 2015
ethomaz said:

Ryng_Tolu said:

XBO sold 152,000 in January NPD. The sales are rise by 84%, so, 152,000 divided 100 = 1,520 X 184 = 279,680

I don't know the PS4 sales, but if is "%" more than XBO, yeah, is probabily at 350,000 i think.

It did less than 152k... it was 151k or something like... and 84% is kind rounded.

Xbone: 276k
PS4: 342k
Wii U: 96k

These numbers fits exactly the pie chart.

In this case you have agree. :D



SWORDF1SH on 13 March 2015
Intrinsic said:
SWORDF1SH said:

And I agree with most of what you say. I did say Sony have to find a balance. Not being anal at all. I used hyporthetical figures to show that price cut can lose you money and not always the solution and if Sony project to make more that they lose from the extra install base they will do it. If the extra sales can make up what they lose through pricecut they will do it. Let not forget that (using hyporthetical figures again) those 15M will buy ps plus games etc anyway, what they lose through the pricecut will have to be made up through the 5M customers they gain.

Bolded part. You say that Sony will lose $30 at $300 but the reality is that they lose $100. If your figures are right, they could of made $70 per console but instead lose $30. That loses them $100.

was joking abt the whole anal thing.

OK so this loss thing. You seem to be mixing up how much u could potentially make as if not doing so counts as a loss. That's like saying an iPhone costs $300, but if apple were to sell it for $600 there are still people that could buy it, so Apple selling it for $300 means they have lost $300. if they make a profit at $300, they didn't lose $300, they just didn't make an extra $300.

Closer to home; if Sony brings its BOM to $320 and sells the PS4 at $290 to retailers so they can sell it for $300 then all Sony has actually lost per console sold is $30. Yes, they could have been making $70 profit if they kept the price at $400 no doubt ($320 BOM + $70 Sony profit + $10 retail margin) but that completely defeats the purpose of the console business model.

Unlike practically every single other electronic product, with consoles, their business doesn't end when u buy the box, it begins. 

Simply put, a larger install base affords them the means to slash prices even if it means losing $100 per console sold. This is an even better proposition if they stand to lose only $30. if you want to talk about potential gains, then u should also consider the potential gains from the extra 5M people that buy the console.  just like you said in the bolded part. 

Again I agree. But Sony have to work out if keeping it at a higher price will bring them in more money than cutting the price. I'm not saying cutting the price will earn them less, I'm just saying simply cutting the price to get them more sales isn't always the best option.

Bolded part. I'm not mixing up anything.

Using your figures, Sony can make around $70 per console at $400 and sell about 15M, each consoles sold can make Sony an average (for argument sake) of $50 a yearthrough subs and software. That $120 profit x 15M = 1.8B in that year

Sony can lose $30 a console at $300 and sell 25M and make an average of $50 a year from subs and software sales from every unit sold. Thats $20 profit x 25M = 500M.

Maybe something in the middle. Sony can make $20 profit on a console at $350 and sell 20M and make an average of $50 a year from software and subs on each console sold. $70 x 20M = $1.4B

Which is better?

But then you have to factor in that those extra 5M/10M will continue to spend money year after and will go someway to closing the difference but that is when its starts to get a bit more complex. Using these rough figures a $50 pricecut could see them making more profit in the long run.

Again I'm not saying a price isn't an option to making more money but Sony will not cut the price by $100/$50 unless it will make them more money.



Kerotan on 13 March 2015
Dr.Vita said:
As expetected, PS Vita is hugely undertracked and I am going to make a thread! It could be even bigger than Wii U currently in 2015.


There is no doubt about it.  The vita currently leads the Wii U by a lot more than we think. 



Kerotan on 13 March 2015
Shadow1980 said:
Kerotan said:


Sony was run by Krazy ken back then. They want the ps4 to make billions.  A price cut might not happen soon if they keep dominating.  Imagine they held off to next year!  Personally I think the USA and UK gets a cut to combat halo 5. 


But only one system released since the 16-bit era went more than two years without a price cut, and that was the Wii. Most got a price cut within a year. Here's how long it took every major system to get a price cut after launch in the U.S.:

Saturn: 5 months
N64: 6 months
Xbox: 6 months
GC: 6 months
SNES: ~7 months (was reduced $20 by time the EB spring 1992 catalog was released)
XBO: 7 months (if you count the Kinect-less SKU as a price reduction) or 12 months (if you don't)
PS1: 8 months
PS3: 8 months
Wii U: 10 months
Dreamcast: 12 months
PS2: 19 months
360: 21 months
Genesis: ≤24 months (was reduced by time the SNES came out, possibly earlier)
Wii: 34 months

That's a lot of historical precendent there suggesting that in all likelihood we'll see a price cut for the PS4 some time this year. My pointing out the PS2 specifically shows that even dominating systems get price cuts sooner than most people would think they should. I imaging if VGC was around 13 years ago a lot of us would be saying the PS2 didn't need a price cut and that we won't see one unti 2003, and they'd have been proven wrong in May 2002 when the PS2's price was reduced by a third.


You're probably right.  I was just saying if the pace somehow stayed extremely high and they felt no need to cut it. Like if they can sell all they can produce at 399 they won't cut.  

 

If I had to bet,  id say that it will get a price cut for its second anniversary.  So 24 months.  Now that uncharted is gone I'd expect a 100$ cut in the USA to combat halo.  The rest of the world to get a less significant cut. 



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Zekkyou on 13 March 2015

So we did get numbers? Did they leak or are these extrapolated from previous NPDs and statements?



FableHero on 13 March 2015

Great sales all around!



Teeqoz on 13 March 2015
Zekkyou said:
So we did get numbers? Did they leak or are these extrapolated from previous NPDs and statements?


We got two pie charts from Creamsugar, but most of it had to be extrapolated anyway.



NewGuy on 13 March 2015
Ryng_Tolu said:
Guys, don't expect March bigger than February!!!
February is a bigger month, thank the tex season.

Look the other NPD by 2011, XB360/PS3/Wii have always sold less in March than in February, even if March is a 5 week month.

XBO in March of last year with the Titanfall boost have sold 311,000 in 5 week VS 258,000 of February (February was bigger week by week)


So, i predict:
PS4: 306,000
XBO: 248,000
3DS: 198,000
WiiU: 102,000
PSV: 50,000

I think expecting everything else to fall and the WiiU to increase in a month where the only notable release on the platform is MP10 is disingenuous, at best.



VXIII on 13 March 2015
Zekkyou said:
So we did get numbers? Did they leak or are these extrapolated from previous NPDs and statements?


Official numbers from Nintendo. XOne month over month percentage from Microsoft. In addition to Creamsugar pie chart.

Don't quote me on it. I'm not 100% certain.