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Guns don't kill people rappers do.

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Kerotan said:
Guns don't kill people rappers do.

Ban the musicians I say. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pXc8CbSoPsw

Actually, we could reduce it further, it's people who kill people, so restraining orders should be applied to everyone.  No one is allowed within 100 feet of anyone else.



NobleTeam360 said:
Teeqoz said:


You use an AR 15 rifle for self defense? Talk about overkill.

Why is it over kill? It's a gun, designed to kill someone/thing, like every other gun out there. 


Do you really have to ask why it's overkill? A handgun is a small weapon, with smaller range. A variant of the AR 15 is what the army uses. It's a weapon designed to be an effective kill tool, in use in war. Saying they're both the same thing because they're both desgined to kill someone is odd. I could say that about nuclear bombs (to exagerate). Why can't we have nuclear bombs in our garages?

 

In what possible case would a civilian need an AR 15 to defend himself?



NobleTeam360 said:

Why should a certain type of gun be taken away based on potential crime use? Unless their is a mass exodus of crime commited with Rifles there is no need to ban them. Criminals will get their hands on guns regardless of any sort of gun ban, so any lives saved would be near 0 banning guns. 


Not every crime is commited by someone in a position to obtain illegal weapons from the black market...



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thismeintiel said:
Goatseye said:
I would be more for the guns right, if the US wasn't a country with the most psychologically unstable individuals I have ever seen.
Going postal is a normal thing in the US. It takes so little to tip the psychological balance of people in this country.

Yep, cause no other countries have people who go postal for really no reason.  Oh, wait...

I'm sorry are you being sarcastic or what?

If you're being sarcastic towards my comment. Name one country where it's regular occurence for people to shoot up schools (normally students), kids commit suicide due to internet/school bullying, shoot workplace due to managerial/colleague problems, etc...



Teeqoz said:
NobleTeam360 said:

Why is it over kill? It's a gun, designed to kill someone/thing, like every other gun out there. 


Do you really have to ask why it's overkill? A handgun is a small weapon, with smaller range. A variant of the AR 15 is what the army uses. It's a weapon designed to be an effective kill tool, in use in war. Saying they're both the same thing because they're both desgined to kill someone is odd. I could say that about nuclear bombs (to exagerate). Why can't we have nuclear bombs in our garages?

 

In what possible case would a civilian need an AR 15 to defend himself?

Lol, that's funny. I'll just say this, I don't use a AR to defend my home. Like another poster said, a pistol is perfectly effective at home defense. I don't think banning AR's from Civilan use is going to affect the amount of crime that goes on (since pistols make up most of the gun crime after all). Still though i don't think a AR is over kill. The weapon is only as effective as the person using it. 




In what possible case would a civilian need an AR 15 to defend himself?


A foreign invasion and a political coup come to mind.



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Teeqoz said:

Do you really have to ask why it's overkill? A handgun is a small weapon, with smaller range. A variant of the AR 15 is what the army uses. It's a weapon designed to be an effective kill tool, in use in war. Saying they're both the same thing because they're both desgined to kill someone is odd. I could say that about nuclear bombs (to exagerate). Why can't we have nuclear bombs in our garages?

So you are saying one is more efficient in particular circumstances? Let's say a mob is the aggressor. Which would be better for self-defense: a handgun or an AR-15? In that circumstance the AR-15 has a greater marginal benefit, and it is for those reasons people choose to own them (besides sport of course.) 

As for nuclear bombs, it is almost certain that their use will kill innocent people (people who aren't trying to kill you) so there is no argument that can be made that they are intended for self-defense. The argument against nuclear bombs is quite different than that against guns. The argument is that nobody, not even the special angels in government, should have them. It's not like the cartel on force that is government cares though. 



sundin13 said:

My point is that there is virtually no benefit to allowing higher capacity rifles, while there are downsides (as I explained about crime potential). Crime potential as I used it simply means that it is technically superior for committing crimes. Obviously these guns are more expensive, illegal in some areas (I believe) and have lower ownership, so crime rates with these weapons will be lower, however, that doesn't mean they are doing any good.

Handguns do have some benefit, as do traditional hunting rifles and shotguns which is why it is extremely difficult to take them away.

When it comes to cost/benefit weighing, while there may be comparitively little cost for AR-15 like weapons, the non existent benefits makes it seem clear that there should be no reason to allow these guns to be sold or owned.

PS: I think one of the major hurdles that we need to pass is better gun screening moreso than better gun limitation, however that is a significantly more difficult goal to achieve. As such, I believe that limiting guns with high technical crime potential is a good step to take, and weighing the cost/benefit of their removal, I again see no cost and a non-insignificant benefit, therefore I find it hard to validate your argument that these guns do little harm comparitively. You may only see numbers, but the lives that are lost to people weilding these guns are not insignificant. If lives could be saved by limiting these weapons, I don't see the argument to keeping them.


"My point is that there is virtually no benefit to allowing higher capacity rifles, while there are downsides (as I explained about crime potential). "


are you calling all of the soldiers in the army criminals?

 

" the non existent benefits makes it seem clear that there should be no reason to allow these guns to be sold or owned."

 

if there are no benefits to owning these weapons then what is your problem?