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Forums - Politics Discussion - Should Europe fear Islamism or embrace it

 

Is this poll racist

Yes racist you should be brought to court 19 8.19%
 
Yes, but in your right of freedom of speech 35 15.09%
 
Indifferent 16 6.90%
 
No 23 9.91%
 
Not at all, some of your points are valid 26 11.21%
 
Not at all this demographic problem is real 113 48.71%
 
Total:232

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For asking this question and even considering fearing I probably am considered racist by some people so I guess I am supposed to be sorry for you guys. So why am I asking this question, well the answer is demographics Europe shelters quite a few imigrants these days, especially france, germany, brittain and The Netherlands (where I am from, you know that racist and stoned country where everyone drives on a bike). So that is very nice of these countries right except there is one little problem.

The problem is that those fled/immigrated people reproduce more than the initial citizens in Germany, Belgium, Britain, Austria etc. is going downwards or will be in a few years. In Europe people are litterary fished out of the sea to live in Europe, since we barely watch our borders. So as the numbers of mainly muslim immigrants grow there influence in politics is getting bigger for instance let's say the total amount of those people is 5% in Europe after 50 years that might be 15-20% considering the hellhole the middle east is these days.

If there rises a party especially for those people and they will get many votes our rules will change and slowly but surely Europe will' become more Islamic. With a small party of immigrated muslims antiseminism is already climbing through the roof in Europe and I fear the worst for the jews as massive ammounts are already emigrating to Israel and not being to much fan of muslims anymore for obvious reasons. Not saying they are right, but if you need a bulletproof vest to go to a synagoge and the state doesn't give a shits about you, I kind a get it. Besides mosques are rising everywhere and some ministers are already considering that arabic should be teached in Dutch schools, perhaps not a terrible Idea since many imigrated family's refuse to learn Dutch and my mother is amaternity nurse and regulary experiences a huge language barrier. 

If islamic parties get a bigger saying and there laws will find there way in Europe we might lose our friendship with the United States or the relations will at least be cooled down since our politics will become different and the freedom of speach is already being discussed in Europe due to recent attacks. Israel is probably going to hate us Russia does already, the Middle East isn't and never wll become our allies, didn't care for world war 2 either except turkey. So millitairy we will be an easy target to be invaded by Russia, which will gain more influence over Europe then they already've since the US and Canada will care less if a big cultural difference will be created between them and Europe and I doubt they would like to risk a nucleair war, nor should they.
So what do you think, should Europe close their eyes for this demographic trend and accept the islamism of the continent, with all the problems which will come forward of it since different cultures living amongst eachother results in tension especially jews and muslims. Or should we act and defend our borders like the US and Australia I would like Europe to be a full western continent in 2100 like North America but with the current policy of letting more than 275.000 immigrants which are almost all muslim I doubt whether that is possible?
So is my fear of the Islam justified or am I a racist Islamophobic asshole? 
 


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Fear the aspects that has to do with death, enforcing prejudice and segregation, fear the aspects of the quran that champions inequality and discrimination.

Be okay with different traditions and ways of being that is contrary and different to ones own, that does not include what I mentioned above.



Where are the US, Australia and canada western countries in your future? they receiving different immigrants but not european ones, in fact the US has less percentage of white people than any other european country. And why has europe to fear russia?



Yes we should fear because as others are able to migrate far easily over here, we can't migrate to other places very easily (aside from within EU).... which is just UNFAIR to the basic human rights.

Plus, the cultures of Europe are slowly and surely depleting.



Panther111 said:
Fear the aspects that has to do with death, enforcing prejudice and segregation, fear the aspects of the quran that champions inequality and discrimination.

Be okay with different traditions and ways of being that is contrary and different to ones own, that does not include what I mentioned above.


Is there really any need to say more?

If you want a "western" continent, move to one.



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spemanig said:
Panther111 said:
Fear the aspects that has to do with death, enforcing prejudice and segregation, fear the aspects of the quran that champions inequality and discrimination.

Be okay with different traditions and ways of being that is contrary and different to ones own, that does not include what I mentioned above.


Is there really any need to say more?

If you want a "western" continent, move to one.

Dont quite understand what you mean with that reply..



Ruler said:
Where are the US, Australia and canada western countries in your future? they receiving different immigrants but not european ones, in fact the US has less percentage of white people than any other european country. And why has europe to fear russia?

The US might've a huge immigration from south america (especially Mexico), but these people are mostly christian and integrate quite easily. Your politic system is also build on moslty western parties which. There is much less of a cultural difference between the immigrants of the US and there Western citizens. Russia is a superpower with an outstanding amount of nucleiar weapons and doesn't care about the UN to much especially if big brother Murica doesn't care to much anymore and can be ruled by one dictator, unlike Europe where you get hold back by the EU since they make quite a lot of laws for every member of the EU.

So the US and Canada will remain Western Civilisations will not change to much I guess, perhaps the percentage of white people will decrease further or white Europeans emigrate to you again, which will make the situation in Europe problematic. 



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Qwark said:
Ruler said:
Where are the US, Australia and canada western countries in your future? they receiving different immigrants but not european ones, in fact the US has less percentage of white people than any other european country. And why has europe to fear russia?

The US might've a huge immigration from south america (especially Mexico), but these people are mostly christian and integrate quite easily. Your politic system is also build on moslty western parties which. There is much less of a cultural difference between the immigrants of the US and there Western citizens. Russia is a superpower with an outstanding amount of nucleiar weapons and doesn't care about the UN to much especially if big brother Murica doesn't care to much anymore and can be ruled by one dictator, unlike Europe where you get hold back by the EU since they make quite a lot of laws for every member of the EU.

So the US and Canada will remain Western Civilisations will not change to much I guess, perhaps the percentage of white people will decrease further or white Europeans emigrate to you again, which will make the situation in Europe problematic. 

Best to not worry too much about these things, as there is extremely little we can actually do about :--p yes there is demographics issues ln earth... But there are probably millions of dimensions, the universe is endless, and the soul lives forever.    So best to not be bogged down with such heavy questions while here, and try to have some fun and be happy instead ;--p



Muslims and their shiria law are becoming a big problem in central london. Its sickening. Everywhere you look its halal this, imshalla that. Some resturants now dont serve pork/ ham in fear of ''offending''. Some local Off licences are no longer selling alcohol.

The politicians here are gutless swines, they don't give an inch, unless their bending over. A 100k strong petition to put a stop / limit halal meat was shunned away recently. Pussies.

Vote UKIP.



spemanig said:
Panther111 said:
Fear the aspects that has to do with death, enforcing prejudice and segregation, fear the aspects of the quran that champions inequality and discrimination.

Be okay with different traditions and ways of being that is contrary and different to ones own, that does not include what I mentioned above.


Is there really any need to say more?

If you want a "western" continent, move to one.

Who says I am not going to, I am dutch and know quite a few things of watermanagement quite handy since we covered quite a few of those problems worldwide and you guys in the US could surely use some help. But Europe is still a Western continent although I doubt if it will stay that way for the next century. Losing a culture which has formed most of the human rights alongside with North America is a shame, the cultural loss would be massive since more than one or two things came from Europe. So for that alone I would like Europe to remain Western, but if that isn't possible no point of staying on a sinking ship. 



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