And what would be the downgrades? Resolution, Physics, Framerate? With the few games that are cross platform for Xbox One and PS4 that are aslo on the Wii U, those games were not impressive on any platform. COD: Ghost ran at an unlocked frame rate at 720p and it looked like the PS3 and 360 version but ran noticably less framerates. Ghost wasn't even a demanding game on current gen consoles and it needed significant downgrades on the Wii U. SO what has changed if KH3 made it's way to Wii U. 

I've always thought the KH franchise would be most at home on Nintendo platforms considering it's Disney and that brand fits perfectly with Nintendo. Makes way more sense than Xbox, that's for sure. I still wouldn't hold my breath for KH3 to show up on Wii U though. 3rd parties are just too scared of developing for the system now. The graphics aren't even the issue as Wii U isn't the drastic step down to develop for that the Wii was. It's the risk of not being profitable that is the problem. And that goes for pretty much all big 3rd party games that aren't on Wii U. 

I was playing by your rules. If LoL plays at 60 fps 1080p on an HD 4670 (even though it drops to as low as 45 fps according to benchmarks) and averages around 52 fps, then Bayonetta 2 also, "runs at 60 fps." I did mention there were drops though. 

Again you're using non-official Wii U specs. Where did the 4.4 GPix/s come from? The same people who gave the 180 - 350 gflop estimate. But that is besides the point. Your phone is designed to run at resolutions of 1440 x 2560 pixels, obviously it will benefit from a higher pixel fillrate. 

I know perfectly fine what a GPU and CPU is. What I'm bothered by is that you are making conclusions without having any concrete information about anything. Then you make claims that nobody can make unless they know very specific details about the hardware at hand such as, "550 Gflops is enough to run Wii U games at 1080p 60fps." It certainly isn't enough if the fillrate is only 4.4 Gpix/s and the Wii U is limited in ram and memory bandwidth. And it brings us to the question that if what you say is true why don't cards with that theoretical performance, or even more run comparable PC games at 1080p 60fps? You even made claims that are amatuerish like, " It is a 4xxx card, certainly it will be similar to 350 Gflops" as if there are no 4xxx cards with floating point performance similar to the PS4's (see: HD 4890 @ 1600 gflops.) So to answer the question, " Before I even continue do you know how GPU and CPU specs actually add up " I know at the very least one can't speak of specific performance by looking at a floating point estimate. "If you were to open up the Wii U would you know what your looking at and how to analyze it?" For the first part, yes I can identify which processor is which, and that's about it. I am not a computer scientist nor am I an electrical engineer who designs processors, so I wouldn't be able to gather facts by looking at a picture of a processor, like a qualified individual can, however I do understand the arguments they make to an extent. Can you do these things you require of me?  

A game like Xenoblade X is likely CPU bounded. Open world games usually are. 

Xenoblade has a bigger area rendered at a given time than skyrim while having much better graphics (polygons, textures,everything else). I don't know what you're trying to say with that "population" comparison, since XCX is full of things on every area. Smash is certainly more demanding than skyrim, with its 1080p 60fps and non blurry/low polygon characters.

Bayonetta 2 IS 60fps, xenoblade is clearly focusing on graphics and draw distance instead of 60fps and Wind Waker HD is 30 fps on wii u because the original game was designed that way. An increase to 60 would probably change the physics. For example, the original kingdom hearts when run on an emulator at 60fps makes objects fall twice as fast, as if doubling the fps increased the gravity.

The fact you aren't accepting is that Wii U games that aren't lazy ports/ports from lower platfroms consistently run at 720p 60fps with much better graphics than ps360 or 1080p 60fps with slightly better graphics than ps360. That's twice the average framerate and three times the average resolution (640p) for those two last gen consoles. Since ps360 had 200 gflops gpus, that easily puts wii u in the range of 600 gflops.

Well one It doesn't take a "qualified" individual to look at a CPU and tell where everything is. You can learn stuff like that at a summer camp for computer guys. You can't ideitify pipelines, and cache for example by looking at a chip but it's not hard. What I find very interesting is that you don't believe any of the Wii U specs but the same guys made the specs for the PS4 and Xbox One and you haven't said anything about that. The Wii U is defintely not stronger than what people are "guessing" as you say, It's a simple console with a simple cpu and a discrete GPU. 

So this is 60 fps huh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8btNuuCY90

Double post. I'll just add that if it's being released this year, KH3 isn't as possible as KH 1.5/2.5 or FF XV.

I'll get it for sure. Probably would get some momentum in Japan, not sure if it would do more than get the name out there in the US and Europe though

Hmmm, you might be on to something. If this becomes true, i truly can put off buying a ps4 and would happily support wii-u.
(comes back to the real world)
scoff...who are we kidding..that would be to good to be true.