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Veknoid_Outcast said:

Well, first of all, I think using Metacritic scores as objective criteria for quality is a mistake. They speak only to the general consensus among critics, not to any game's greatness.

Second of all, it's a little disingenuous to compare four years of PS3 output with fewer than two years of PS4 output.

That said, I do think Sony's first-party output this generation, on PS4 and Vita, has been generally underwhelming. But Sony's first-party effort last generation wasn't exactly stellar either. Killzone 2 was a giant leap backward from the premiere game. Uncharted started strongly with Drake's Fortune and Among Thieves, then sank into mediocrity with Drake's Deception. Heavy Rain, while ambitious and packed with interesting ideas, utimately deteriorated into a case of style over substance. Really, the best game on PS3 was a third-party exclusive: Demon's Souls. 

In general, I think that's always been the case with Playstation systems. It's third-party software -- often exclusive third-party software -- that defines each generation: games like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Grand Theft Auto, and Demon's Souls. The exception to the rule is Team Ico, the games of which are among the best of the sixth generation. Unfortunately, Team Ico hasn't produced a game in a decade.

I expect this third-party dominance to continue with Sony's latest home console. I'd wager games like Bloodborne, The Phantom Pain, and Street Fighter V will end up being the cream of the crop on PS4 when this generation comes to an end.

That's your opinion. Though to call Drake's Fortune better than Drake's Deception, I dont even know what to say to you.

As for best exclusive, in my opinion it was God Of War III by a mile, wih Uncharted 2 and TLOU also being some of the best. Demon's Souls was meh, nothing else.

Also, Heavy Rain is a third-party exclusive not first-party.



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Conina said:
Vasto said:

Compare and contrast, if you will: Metal Gear Solid IV: Guns of the Patriots holds a Metascore of 94Heavy Rain has an average score of 87God of War III has a review average of 92Killzone 2 holds an impressive 91 average, the first two LittleBigPlanet games come in at 95 and 91, and the three Uncharted titles have the following Metascores respectively: 88, 96, and 92. Undoubtedly, these games helped lead the charge last generation and establish PlayStation as, once again, the king of exclusive software.

Cherry-picking at its best! The PS4 launch is 16 months ago... only ONE of these listed games was released in the same time frame since PS3 launch, two of them were released in year 5.

  • MGS 4 = 20 months after PS3 launch
  • Heavy Rain = 40 months after PS3 launch
  • God of War 3 = 41 months after PS3 launch
  • Killzone 2 = 28 months after PS3 launch
  • LittleBigPlanet 1 = 23 months after PS3 launch
  • LittleBigPlanet 2 = 51 months after PS3 launch
  • Uncharted 1 = 11 months after PS3 launch
  • Uncharted 2 = 35 months after PS3 launch
  • Uncharted 3 = 60 months after PS3 launch

And if Heavy Rain counts as "Sony's First-Party-Exclusive"... what has happened to quality games the Sony published in 2006 and 2007?

Genji: Days of Blade (Metascore 55), Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom (Metascore 58) and Lair (Metascore 53)?

 

THIS.

@ OP

Beside the article being cherrypicked, the real problem is twofold. 

First, it seems that reviewers have started to go back to a normal rating scale as they had before.  One where 5/5.5 is average, 6/6.5 is above average, 7/7.5 is good, 8/8.5 is great, 9/9.5 is excellent, and 10 is perfection (or as close as you can get to it.)  This is in contrast to the ridiculous one they, for some reason, adopted last gen where 7-7.5 was average, 8-8.5 was good, 9-9.5 was excellent, and 10 was supposed to be near perfect, but your game could still have a bunch of bugs and still get this rating. 

Bascially, they adopted a school grade system, where anything score below 8 was looked down on and anything below 7 was regarded as a piss poor game.  This meant an average game, that some could still enjoy, were seen in the same light as bad as games that got a 1 or 2, which were broken pieces of crap that barely work.  Unfortunately, I feel they have been a little overly harsh on games this gen to compensate for it, while also not informing their readers (who have are still on the old review scale) of the change.

And two, some reviewers are using low scores to either try to make a point or, worse, for clicks to their site.  It's obvious that more clicks means more ad revenue, so I don't really need to explain that one.  For making a point, some will give it a lower rating if they don't like that type of game, maybe they prefer another game in the same genre, or maybe they didn't get their goodie bag with the game.  We see this with people giving games that, objectively speaking, should be getting at least (above) average reviews, getting 1s and 2s, scores that should be reserved for games that are riddled with bugs and with (below) average graphics/gameplay. 

Really, if a game has very few bugs and meh-average graphics/gameplay/sound, that should be enough to get into, or very close to, to the 5-5.5 range.  From there, you add 1/2 points or whole points for things the game does above average (graphics, sound, story, gameplay/mechanics, control.)



They need to work a little bit with the gameplay mechanics, don't get me wrong! the games are solid! but killzone is just a FPS, Knack is just an action platformer, Driveclub just an arcade racer, The order just tps. I don't expect innovation on every game, but some kind of twist or mechanic can do a lot for a game. For example, Splatoon, just a cartoony tps, but the "ink and squid" changes the game completely.



Half of these aren't first party. Doesn't seem like the author knows what he's talking about. Bloodborne making a recovery? Hard to do that when it's 3rd party



Ltd predictions by the time 9th Gen comes out

Ps4:110million

Xbox one :75 million( was 65) 

Wii u: 20 milliion

GTAexpert said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Well, first of all, I think using Metacritic scores as objective criteria for quality is a mistake. They speak only to the general consensus among critics, not to any game's greatness.

Second of all, it's a little disingenuous to compare four years of PS3 output with fewer than two years of PS4 output.

That said, I do think Sony's first-party output this generation, on PS4 and Vita, has been generally underwhelming. But Sony's first-party effort last generation wasn't exactly stellar either. Killzone 2 was a giant leap backward from the premiere game. Uncharted started strongly with Drake's Fortune and Among Thieves, then sank into mediocrity with Drake's Deception. Heavy Rain, while ambitious and packed with interesting ideas, utimately deteriorated into a case of style over substance. Really, the best game on PS3 was a third-party exclusive: Demon's Souls. 

In general, I think that's always been the case with Playstation systems. It's third-party software -- often exclusive third-party software -- that defines each generation: games like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear, Grand Theft Auto, and Demon's Souls. The exception to the rule is Team Ico, the games of which are among the best of the sixth generation. Unfortunately, Team Ico hasn't produced a game in a decade.

I expect this third-party dominance to continue with Sony's latest home console. I'd wager games like Bloodborne, The Phantom Pain, and Street Fighter V will end up being the cream of the crop on PS4 when this generation comes to an end.

That's your opinion. Though to call Drake's Fortune better than Drake's Deception, I dont even know what to say to you.

As for best exclusive, in my opinion it was God Of War III by a mile, wih Uncharted 2 and TLOU also being some of the best. Demon's Souls was meh, nothing else.

Also, Heavy Rain is a third-party exclusive not first-party.

Oh, thanks for pointing that out. I've been operating under the assumption that Sony owned Quantic Dream.

But, please, there's no need to make a comment like "that's your opinion." It's quite clearly my opinion. Just like your post represents your opinion.

You're more than welcome to engage with me in debate over the quality of a particular game -- in fact I'd welcome it -- but stating things like "that's your opinion and "I don't even know what to say to you" contributes next to nothing to the conversation.



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Samus Aran said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
generic-user-1 said:
PieToast said:

 

well, nintendo did release a lot of great games in the first 2 years this gen, and last gen, and in the gen before...

sony just has one studio that can make realy great games, and they couldnt bring out a game till now because they had one game realy late last gen and need time for a new one.

The difference is that most of nintendos offerings are 'been there done that' stuff, whereas sony invest in a far greater number of new IP's and software technology.

Yes not all are super successful, but most are 'great' and many are GOTY quality.... and most importantly, theres a lot of unique content the 3rd party's rarely come up with.

Yeah, that's why most of the upcoming Sony games are sequels. Nintendo innovates with gameplay, you don't need new ips for that.

LOL. Most of the upcoming Ninty games are sequels too. Are you ok? Hell most of the Ninty games that have been released for Wii U so far have been sequels. Or rereleases, they still havent put out an original IP yet. And give me examples on innovationg gameplay. Ill wait.



Veknoid_Outcast said:
GTAexpert said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Oh, thanks for pointing that out. I've been operating under the assumption that Sony owned Quantic Dream.

But, please, there's no need to make a comment like "that's your opinion." It's quite clearly my opinion. Just like your post represents your opinion.

You're more than welcome to engage with me in debate over the quality of a particular game -- in fact I'd welcome it -- but stating things like "that's your opinion and "I don't even know what to say to you" contributes next to nothing to the conversation.

I don't think he intends to be unconstructive but just really disagrees with you that Uncharted 1 is better than 3. You really think that? I know it's about personal preference but I enjoyed 3 almost as much as 2 which I found way more enjoyable than 1.

 

@OP: I can't give a better answer to this thread than Conina's so I'll quote that as well.

Conina said:

Cherry-picking at its best! The PS4 launch is 16 months ago... only ONE of these listed games was released in the same time frame since PS3 launch, two of them were released in year 5.

  • MGS 4 = 20 months after PS3 launch
  • Heavy Rain = 40 months after PS3 launch
  • God of War 3 = 41 months after PS3 launch
  • Killzone 2 = 28 months after PS3 launch
  • LittleBigPlanet 1 = 23 months after PS3 launch
  • LittleBigPlanet 2 = 51 months after PS3 launch
  • Uncharted 1 = 11 months after PS3 launch
  • Uncharted 2 = 35 months after PS3 launch
  • Uncharted 3 = 60 months after PS3 launch


oniyide said:
Samus Aran said:

Yeah, that's why most of the upcoming Sony games are sequels. Nintendo innovates with gameplay, you don't need new ips for that.

LOL. Most of the upcoming Ninty games are sequels too. Are you ok? Hell most of the Ninty games that have been released for Wii U so far have been sequels. Or rereleases, they still havent put out an original IP yet. And give me examples on innovationg gameplay. Ill wait.

Splatoon, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Bowser mode in Mario Party 10, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker.

And even though it's a remake Majora's Mask is a unique game. There's nothing like it.

And read my post, it's only one sentence, sequels aren't bad.



Wright said:

...but neither Heavy Rain, Metal Gear Solid IV and The Order are first-party games.

<3



Conina said:
Vasto said:

Compare and contrast, if you will: Metal Gear Solid IV: Guns of the Patriots holds a Metascore of 94Heavy Rain has an average score of 87God of War III has a review average of 92Killzone 2 holds an impressive 91 average, the first two LittleBigPlanet games come in at 95 and 91, and the three Uncharted titles have the following Metascores respectively: 88, 96, and 92. Undoubtedly, these games helped lead the charge last generation and establish PlayStation as, once again, the king of exclusive software.

Cherry-picking at its best! The PS4 launch is 16 months ago... only ONE of these listed games was released in the same time frame since PS3 launch, two of them were released in year 5.

  • MGS 4 = 20 months after PS3 launch
  • Heavy Rain = 40 months after PS3 launch
  • God of War 3 = 41 months after PS3 launch
  • Killzone 2 = 28 months after PS3 launch
  • LittleBigPlanet 1 = 23 months after PS3 launch
  • LittleBigPlanet 2 = 51 months after PS3 launch
  • Uncharted 1 = 11 months after PS3 launch
  • Uncharted 2 = 35 months after PS3 launch
  • Uncharted 3 = 60 months after PS3 launch

And if Heavy Rain counts as "Sony's First-Party-Exclusive"... what has happened to quality games the Sony published in 2006 and 2007?

Genji: Days of Blade (Metascore 55), Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom (Metascore 58) and Lair (Metascore 53)?

 



This post puts things into perspective. It just sucks that we have to wait so long.

I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine