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Ill give the  OP a pass because he's 15 and so clearly doesnt have the experience to really understand. Its possible he's asking a genuine question and not trolliing.

 

But dear OP - women are woefully underrepresented at senior political positions and in the executive suites in corporations. They earn 79cents for every dollar a man makes.  They are still not guaranteed equal protection under the constitution.

 

When old white republican politicians are passing leglislation on womens health   - without actually talking to any women, its pretty clear there is a long way to go before they reach true social equality.  The Equal rights amendment still has not passed  -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment - primarily because congress is full of rich old white men who are more interested in protecting their privilege and are generally threatened by the notion of true equality.

 

Spend more time talking to women, gays, other ethnic and religious groups. In fact do it as much as you can. Its the only way you'll understand them.   Then one day you will laugh at the naievite of your post.   On the other hand - if you don't reach out and learn from people who are different from what youve experienced up to now, then you run the risk of growing up into an old bigoted republican who is afraid of everthing.

 

Now go ask your mom the same question you asked here.  See if she will make it a serious  discussion for you . You'll learn a lot about the extra bullshit your mom had to put up with in her life, just because shes a woman.



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Not sure. I think women have the same rights in the western world as men do. The wage discrepancy is not there if you take into account that women often dont go into high paying proffessions like mathematics, engineering, software. But instead to chose stuff like art, womens studies and so on. Eventhough they get preferential treatment for these subjects where they are underrepresented. There are more women then men on college in total. And there is more female voters then male voters. So infact women are prefering to vote men into political office apparently.




Disclaimer: I'm talking on a general level here, as obviously this discussion is being contributed to by people from different countries and their experiences will be different.

Equality cannot be measured by how many female CEO's, Partners, Presidents, etc. there are.

It is more challenging to be a CEO at the same time as being a mother raising kids, than being a CEO while your wife is looking after the kids. Only a few women will go for that career move - either those who have chosen not to have a family, or those who are exceptional enough to be able to manage both. This means that there are statistically fewer women to choose from than men, leading to fewer women filling those positions than men.

I don't think women are being 'given too much power', but I do suspect that some organisations might be tempted to give women positions of power just to boost the ratios and make themselves look good.

But there will never be true equality until women have the same opportunities to apply for the same positions of power as men, with the same pay. And they will never truly have those opportunities until our culture has an equality of work/life balance opportunities for both men and women, so that single parents of either sex can afford child care, parents who have careers at a similar level are given time to share their home duties, and men who's female partner happens to have the higher flying career are allowed the flexibility and time to deal with the kids when it's required.

As one user so eloquently put it: 'Men need to be equal when it comes to child shit.'



Serious_frusting said:
everyone is equal. Thats my opinion.


This opinion extends to being a dad/mum carrying kids.

Men need to be equal when it comes to child shit. Case closed.

No, perhaps men deserve more rights but women definitely deserve more power in this aspect. Say, women should have a longer maternity leave than paternity leave, but the gap should be closer than it is in some countries, if only due to the physical strain involved. 

When it comes to things like custody of children, then yeah there should be an equal footing.



 

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Fusioncode said:
Threads like this are the reason this site has barely any female users. Should have been locked after the first post.

Agreed. This is the internet in a nutshell.

It gets worse. Sites like 9GAG and Youtube hate anything related to women. If it were up to internet users, women would lose all their rights.

If this is your view on the Internet than I am sorry for you. A lot  of YouTube is profeminist and you know it.



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Fusioncode said:
Threads like this are the reason this site has barely any female users. Should have been locked after the first post.


Just because you disagree with my view and hate discussing this subject doesn't mean others shouldn't be able to discuss the subject. The most you can do to stop threads like this is to not post in them.



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niallyb said:

Ill give the  OP a pass because he's 15 and so clearly doesnt have the experience to really understand. Its possible he's asking a genuine question and not trolliing.

But dear OP - women are woefully underrepresented at senior political positions and in the executive suites in corporations. They earn 79cents for every dollar a man makes.  They are still not guaranteed equal protection under the constitution.

When old white republican politicians are passing leglislation on womens health   - without actually talking to any women, its pretty clear there is a long way to go before they reach true social equality.  The Equal rights amendment still has not passed  -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment - primarily because congress is full of rich old white men who are more interested in protecting their privilege and are generally threatened by the notion of true equality.

Spend more time talking to women, gays, other ethnic and religious groups. In fact do it as much as you can. Its the only way you'll understand them.   Then one day you will laugh at the naievite of your post.   On the other hand - if you don't reach out and learn from people who are different from what youve experienced up to now, then you run the risk of growing up into an old bigoted republican who is afraid of everthing.

Now go ask your mom the same question you asked here.  See if she will make it a serious  discussion for you . You'll learn a lot about the extra bullshit your mom had to put up with in her life, just because shes a woman.

Western culture is the reason women have rights in the world. Your "other ethnic and religious groups" have done a fairly great job opressing them, in fact, and often think a lot like your "old white men" when it comes to social and cultural standings. Why do you think Proposition 8 got approved on California, out of all places? I don't think you are looking at the whole picture and instead opt for a manichean view of the world where everything traditionally western is evil, when your dearly held values came from the West, and everything else is good, and forgetting what non-western values were actually like.



 

 

 

 

 

Soundwave said:

Eh, I don't really think it's a women's dominated society even in the West.

Look at the political sphere, like 80% of the politicians are men, and 90%+ of the ones who actually have the power to do anything are men.

Look at our economic system, 90% of the people in power of the biggest corporations are men.

If you look at our media, 90% of our movies/games/TV networks are helmed by men.

The halls of power are still dominated primarily by men.

Our sports obsessed culture is dominated by male sports.

If you're famous as a woman, it's 90% likely because of your sex appeal (as in what you bring to the table to appeal to a man).

Also even in the West most women are not hardcore feminists, that just a little fringe. Most women are not of the bra-burning, no armpit shaving type.

I'm a guy, but I'm not naive to those factors. Yes, women have more power today than in the past, but you'd really be pushing it by saying the West is a female dominated society. It really isn't. The most powerful woman in America is like Oprah (or was), and she's a TV personality. Imagine the most powerful man in America being Dr. Phil or something, lol.


She's not. Christy Walton is the richest woman in america.



I agree with most people here that they don't have too much power or even treated equally in many cases, but there are many areas that they are in clear advantage compared to men.

Take maternity leave for example. I have a lecturer who, as as soon as she got a permanent position in my department, has been getting maternity leaves and has not worked at all. She basically makes sure to get pregnant at the right time so that she takes maternity leave when she's supposed to be teaching (September - March) and is available before and after that. She's been doing it for three years in a row and it seems to me that she's taking advantage of the system. Technically speaking, she could keep making babies for the next decade and not have to teach a single day (she has to do very little work like attend some seminars, answer a couple of e-mails, etc). I don't get how this is fair.

Also, something that has been discussed to death. A girl gets pregnant, she has 100% control over what happens next. She can have an abortion and the father cannot do anything about it or she can keep the baby and the father needs to keep paying for that baby for the next two decades. How exactly is that fair to men? This doesn't affect me at all, as I have no interest in women, but in this regard, they do have more rights.

And don't get me started on how many women falsely accuse men of raping them and when it's proven that it was lie, nothing happens to them, while a male accusing a female of raping him usually gets no attention. Could be wrong about this but a friend who studies law in the uk told me that there is a law that states that unless there is some kind of penetration involved, it cannot be classified as rape.

There are more examples, but there is no point in listing them all. But like I said at the beginning, overall I still think that women are not treated equally or fairly yet and certain measures need to be taken to offer them equal opportunities in the job market. Equal does not equal positive discrimination though, which can sometimes be a terrible thing.



niallyb said:

Ill give the  OP a pass because he's 15 and so clearly doesnt have the experience to really understand. Its possible he's asking a genuine question and not trolliing.

 

But dear OP - women are woefully underrepresented at senior political positions and in the executive suites in corporations. They earn 79cents for every dollar a man makes.  They are still not guaranteed equal protection under the constitution.

 

When old white republican politicians are passing leglislation on womens health   - without actually talking to any women, its pretty clear there is a long way to go before they reach true social equality.  The Equal rights amendment still has not passed  -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment - primarily because congress is full of rich old white men who are more interested in protecting their privilege and are generally threatened by the notion of true equality.

 

Spend more time talking to women, gays, other ethnic and religious groups. In fact do it as much as you can. Its the only way you'll understand them.   Then one day you will laugh at the naievite of your post.   On the other hand - if you don't reach out and learn from people who are different from what youve experienced up to now, then you run the risk of growing up into an old bigoted republican who is afraid of everthing.

 

Now go ask your mom the same question you asked here.  See if she will make it a serious  discussion for you . You'll learn a lot about the extra bullshit your mom had to put up with in her life, just because shes a woman.


I'm completely fine with your liberal rhertoric but Insulting the OP because you don't like the thread? That's a bit much.