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Soundwave said:
kljesta64 said:
Mr Khan said:
kljesta64 said:
Soundwave said:
kljesta64 said:
why are people reading this and take it as the truth ?

Because Adelman worked at Nintendo for nine years?

He likely knows a hell of a lot more than some random nobody on the internet. 

Honestly this is one of the few articles on the net about Nintendo worth reading, a lot of the other stuff is just garbage. 

he worked for nintendo japan ?

NoA, but decently high up the chain (more or less ran the show for DSiWare and WiiWare, at least in terms of 3rd party games, as well as successors on the eShop), so he would definitely be privy to higher-end decisionmaking.

i know its noa thats my point.. and still that doesnt make him know whats exactly going on.

i believe it when i hear it from nintendo japan. 

Nintendo Japan does not discuss internal business practises and certainly not with a Western media outlet. You're never going to get that interview.

Discussions from the Japanese side with the press are strictly promotional business (as in: this is our spring lineup, please enjoy).

Nintendo honestly might be one of the notoriously most secretive and strict corporate entities on the planet. I actually don't think that's much of a reach.  

There's no reason to think Adelman is lying though, in fact out of all the garbage people read about Nintendo, this is one of the few things that actually has any real substance to it. To operate in his position he would have had to have had interface with the Japanese HQ, in fact given Nintendo's nature there's no way he would be allowed to run things like Wiiware autonomously as a foreigner. 

im not saying he is lying he just doesnt know the whole picture.



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kljesta64 said:
Soundwave said:

Nintendo Japan does not discuss internal business practises and certainly not with a Western media outlet. You're never going to get that interview.

Discussions from the Japanese side with the press are strictly promotional business (as in: this is our spring lineup, please enjoy).

Nintendo honestly might be one of the notoriously most secretive and strict corporate entities on the planet. I actually don't think that's much of a reach.  

There's no reason to think Adelman is lying though, in fact out of all the garbage people read about Nintendo, this is one of the few things that actually has any real substance to it. To operate in his position he would have had to have had interface with the Japanese HQ, in fact given Nintendo's nature there's no way he would be allowed to run things like Wiiware autonomously as a foreigner. 

im not saying he is lying he just doesnt know the whole picture.

It's as complete a picture as we're likely to get, unless some day a journalist goes after Reggie for some post-retirement (or however his career at Nintendo ends) interview and gets him to speak candidly somehow.

Take Yamauchi himself. Do you think the man ever gave out a substantive interview before he passed on? You're not going to get it from the Japanese side, as Soundwave said.



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Mr Khan said:
kljesta64 said:
Soundwave said:
 

Nintendo Japan does not discuss internal business practises and certainly not with a Western media outlet. You're never going to get that interview.

Discussions from the Japanese side with the press are strictly promotional business (as in: this is our spring lineup, please enjoy).

Nintendo honestly might be one of the notoriously most secretive and strict corporate entities on the planet. I actually don't think that's much of a reach.  

There's no reason to think Adelman is lying though, in fact out of all the garbage people read about Nintendo, this is one of the few things that actually has any real substance to it. To operate in his position he would have had to have had interface with the Japanese HQ, in fact given Nintendo's nature there's no way he would be allowed to run things like Wiiware autonomously as a foreigner. 

im not saying he is lying he just doesnt know the whole picture.

It's as complete a picture as we're likely to get, unless some day a journalist goes after Reggie for some post-retirement (or however his career at Nintendo ends) interview and gets him to speak candidly somehow.

Take Yamauchi himself. Do you think the man ever gave out a substantive interview before he passed on? You're not going to get it from the Japanese side, as Soundwave said.

i know from earlier interviews (if true) that yamauchi was king his word was gold and no one could change his mind. there was no such thing as adelman said in this interview. he was basically the hitler of gaming



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Mr Khan said:
kljesta64 said:
Soundwave said:
 

Nintendo Japan does not discuss internal business practises and certainly not with a Western media outlet. You're never going to get that interview.

Discussions from the Japanese side with the press are strictly promotional business (as in: this is our spring lineup, please enjoy).

Nintendo honestly might be one of the notoriously most secretive and strict corporate entities on the planet. I actually don't think that's much of a reach.  

There's no reason to think Adelman is lying though, in fact out of all the garbage people read about Nintendo, this is one of the few things that actually has any real substance to it. To operate in his position he would have had to have had interface with the Japanese HQ, in fact given Nintendo's nature there's no way he would be allowed to run things like Wiiware autonomously as a foreigner. 

im not saying he is lying he just doesnt know the whole picture.

It's as complete a picture as we're likely to get, unless some day a journalist goes after Reggie for some post-retirement (or however his career at Nintendo ends) interview and gets him to speak candidly somehow.

Take Yamauchi himself. Do you think the man ever gave out a substantive interview before he passed on? You're not going to get it from the Japanese side, as Soundwave said.

Yamauchi was a hell of a character. It's a shame we may never really get a proper insight into how he worked. I'd love to have a book on him that was properly sourced and researched. 



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Soundwave said:

I don't think the culture will change anytime soon.

If I'm a 30 year veteran at Nintendo who's paid his dues and worked for a long time to get a cushy, high paying position on the board of directors with a large say in things, I'm sure as hell not just stepping aside so some young little snot can take my spot. Why should I?

I don't see the incentive there for that to be done. It doesn't seem like Iwata really has mass authority to do things in the way Yamauchi did either.

For better or (probably) worse Nintendo is stuck with this structure for the next decade or so. Japanese companies do not change their culture that quickly. It's best I think just to enjoy their games, because they're not going to make radical changes in how they operate. Even the younger people on the board likely only get there by playing it safe (as the article states) and being loyal to older higher ups in the company.

If anything I think the company has become more bogged down in internal politics and Japanese tradition under Iwata. Yamauchi didn't give a f**k because he made decisions on a whim and no one dared challenge him. He did things like sign the deal for Donkey Kong Country (a Western game) after hearing a sales pitch for it, there was no debate or lengthy meeting about whether or not to do it, he liked that the guy who pitched had the balls to speak up, and sealed the deal for it right there on the spot. He also chose Silicon Graphics for the N64 basically on his own, again because he liked their presentation (I'm sure giving the next-gen contract to an American company like that did not sit well with a lot of people at Nintendo but no one would dare question Yamauchi). That's not how it works at Nintendo anymore. 

So basically, Nintendo needs to become a fascist dictatorship again. :P



Zekkyou said:
curl-6 said:

tl;dr, Nintendo is too conservative.

It's run by old farts who are out of touch with the modern market.

Delicate as always, curl

Tough love. ;)

It cjust annoys me I guess; the company seems to be calcified with bureaucracy and fanatic commitment to tradition. It's the same problem that has made Sony take so long to axe its bleeding divisions. The old guard actively stand in the way of necessary change, and it only takes one of them to derail any attempt evolve the company. The market has changed dramatically in the last five years, yet Nintendo hasn't been able to keep pace because every step forwards has to be fought for against the leadership.



padib said:
curl-6 said:

Tough love. ;)

It cjust annoys me I guess; the company seems to be calcified with bureaucracy and fanatic commitment to tradition. It's the same problem that has made Sony take so long to axe its bleeding divisions. The old guard actively stand in the way of necessary change, and it only takes one of them to derail any attempt evolve the company. The market has changed dramatically in the last five years, yet Nintendo hasn't been able to keep pace because every step forwards has to be fought for against the leadership.

It's also what allows them to stay true to their pedigree.

Change is good for some things, not for everything. Tradition has value in many things in the world, as people who play traditional irish music.

I'm not saying they should ditch all their old ways, just the ones that are losing them money.



padib said:
curl-6 said:

I'm not saying they should ditch all their old ways, just the ones that are losing them money.

Same here. I love the fact that I can count in their tradition in terms of great games, their old ways are awesome in some aspects. I can always count on Mario and Zelda and their tried and true way of making games.

But when it comes to other things, I like seeing Nintendo drive change. When they do it's usually a huge relief. But at other times it comes as too little too late. It's really a mixed bag with them when it comes to risk and being at the forefront. At times they totally defy the industry, and at other times they are way behind completely doubtful about practices others bring in which work with the consumers. I think they should be more of the mindset of learning from your enemy.

As a japanese company I'm surprised they don't do more of that.

As has been said, they seem to have adopted a mentality that, since the N64 and Gamecube were outsold by the PS1 and PS2, they shouldn't try to compete directly with their adversaries, but rather seek alternate routes. This becomes a problem when they let said adversaries then chase them out of market after market, leaving them with very loyal core fanbase but little appeal to the larger audience.

Rather than try to maintain footholds in markets like the lucrative 13-30 Western male crowd, they're surrendered these audiences to Sony and MS, and withdrawn to make a last stand in their inner sanctum of Mario and Zelda. They're fighting a defensive war instead of trying to expand their territory.



curl-6 said:
padib said:
curl-6 said:

I'm not saying they should ditch all their old ways, just the ones that are losing them money.

Same here. I love the fact that I can count in their tradition in terms of great games, their old ways are awesome in some aspects. I can always count on Mario and Zelda and their tried and true way of making games.

But when it comes to other things, I like seeing Nintendo drive change. When they do it's usually a huge relief. But at other times it comes as too little too late. It's really a mixed bag with them when it comes to risk and being at the forefront. At times they totally defy the industry, and at other times they are way behind completely doubtful about practices others bring in which work with the consumers. I think they should be more of the mindset of learning from your enemy.

As a japanese company I'm surprised they don't do more of that.

As has been said, they seem to have adopted a mentality that, since the N64 and Gamecube were outsold by the PS1 and PS2, they shouldn't try to compete directly with their adversaries, but rather seek alternate routes. This becomes a problem when they let said adversaries then chase them out of market after market, leaving them with very loyal core fanbase but little appeal to the larger audience.

Rather than try to maintain footholds in markets like the lucrative 13-30 Western male crowd, they're surrendered these audiences to Sony and MS, and withdrawn to make a last stand in their inner sanctum of Mario and Zelda. They're fighting a defensive war instead of trying to expand their territory.


The GameCube really let Nintendo down unfortuantely (or vice versa). 

Had they been on their game a little more and given MS more of a bloody nose to convince them to stay out of the game business was were the dynamics really would have changed. 

But once MS got their foot in the door, they decided to stay, and in a market where Nintendo suddenly was up against two large corporations, they decided to run rather than compete from that point on, and it even worked for a little while until they got blindsighted by the smart device revolution.

If the GameCube could've held serve and whupped the XBox (the PS2 obviously did its job) so that MS could have been convinced to not go ahead with the 360, I think Nintendo would be a very, very different spot today. Especially with Sega also going belly up, Nintendo could've carved out a comfortable existence as the defacto alternative to Sony.

They should have pushed harder I think to release the GameCube in 2000 (a year earlier). That would've ensured a decent no.2 finish for them and wouldn't have allowed MS to get much momentum even with Halo.