darthdevidem01 said: @elnino I don't understand HOW you can say xbox 360 has a better Variety of games this year, as a previous poster mentioned

 Don'thave to understand my believe.  based on the release list from ign, gamespot or whatever the 360 has the most games variety from rts to rpgs and obviously the shooters. 

FOOD said: bdbdbd said: FOOD said: What surprises me most is how people get irritated with PR talk. They are paid to say stuff within this nature. Nothing unexpected here. We see this type of talk from Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony.  I can't imagine some guy from Sony saying, "Oh, the competition has a great lineup of software and hardware, I can't argue with that, but here's why I think ours is marginally better." In your dreams, people. Be mature and don't let the company's arrogance tug on your panties.  Make judgements for your purchases for yourself.    And that's why people get so irritated. You see Sony does unbelievably bad PR. Usually when you're supposed to do PR, you're supposed to say that competition has done good and they have some good games in their lineup, but we just have better. And we see the trend changing because of X and Y, and we are very positive considering the future. These kind of statements cause even uncertainity for shareholders, since you give an impression that you don't know what you are doing and has the company understood what they have done wrong so far. Edit: Forgot to add, that when you're going to mock the competition, you're supposed to take a stab, instead of outing outright lies. And instead of saying they are good, but we are better, Sonys PR usually says we suck hard, but they suck even harder.  Regardless, there's no reason to get irritated because a PR is going by PR 101. PR is supposed to avoid praising the competition at all. Sure, they can't exchange a few nasty words, but a PR doesn't serve a purpose if he praises the competition. It's common sense.

No, in PR, you can praise the competition as much as you want to, as long as you are able to top the competition.

As i said, as a company offial, your statements are meant for investors, business partners as well as your customer.
If i would be an investor, based on the statements made in the interview, i'd be careful to invest to Sony. If i would be developer, i'd consider 2 times before investing in PS3 developement. If i'd be a PS fanboy, i'd be ejaculating to my keyboard out of joy.
You see, what he basically said, was the same thing as always, "everybody will come to us, we don't need to do a thing", which has been proven false by sales numbers. He didn't even imply that Sony would have recognised problems, not to mention Sony planning to take actions to do something about the sales.

Basically the guy just was on a beach showing off his muscles to impress the ladies, when the guy next to him has twice as big dick as he does. Which makes the guy with the muscles look pathetic.

Lone_Canis_Lupus said: HappySqurriel said: Lone_Canis_Lupus said: As BS as this whole PR thing is(which isn't surprising...I mean, no matter the company...PR is usually annoying), that part is surprisingly true in my experience. Most of my friends that have already gone to next-gen systems have all gone to the 360 or Wii...but all my friends that stayed behind with the PS2 to make a choice later are wanting a PS3. He's not talking about the people that have already switched, but the people that stayed with the PS2. It sounds BS...but all my friends that did stay behind with the PS2 are starting to want a PS3 over the Wii and 360. Don't shoot down that quote just yet...he might be right that as the PS2 gradually dies, the ones left behind with it might come in a mass herd toward the PS3.   There might still be quite a bit that go toward the 360 or Wii...but reading that quote made me think about all my friends still with the PS2. And I think it's interesting he might be right about that...having a lot of potential customers still with the PS2. You will always have a segment of the population that is brand loyal, but there really isn't that many of them ... As an example, one of my friends owned a walkman, discman and a minidisc player and refuses to buy an iPod because it isn't produced by Sony; until the iPod was released he never seemed to care much about Apple at all and now they're the devil for producing a piece of hardware people actually wanted. Even though Sony was super popular with their portable music players for decades this didn't prevent Apple from comming along and dominating the MP3 player market when they produced the right product ...  That's different...this is a new generation that hasn't been around long at all. There are still a lot of people that haven't moved to the next generation yet. A lot of PS2 users are still undecided. This is the point I'm making...in my case, what he said in that quote is true. All of my friends that stayed behind with the PS2 want a PS3 over the 360 and Wii...this is just in my case though. I'd have to go around and meet a lot of other people that stayed with the PS2 to confirm this.

Well, that's fine, but I personally know two people who only owned PS2's last gen and only own (and intend to own) Wii's.  I don't know anyone else who owns or intends to own a PS3.

 

And yes, in PR, you're actually seen in a BETTER light if you praise the competition and then show how you're better than them.  If Sony were to say, "The competition has a very nice lineup of games this year, but we think ours is better", (for example), then they wouldn't be seen as so idiotic.

Oh so now that HD-DVD is gone, the PS3 will rise to PS2 like market share levels? Wow, silly me! I had the impression that it would have happened with Motor Storm. No wait, Heavenly Sword. No, Hot Shots Golf. No wait it was supposed to happen when... ah crap, I honestly lost count on how many times the PS3 was supposedly to turn around.

But HD-DVD is gone. Yup, that will spur casual gamers.

I love this. Bold, Real Talk. (bonus) all the trolls are mad lol. Good times.

cringer8 said: I don't know why some of you are calling this "PR Spin." There is nothing to spin. Blu-Ray is now the HD standard. PS3 weekly sales (worldwide) are beating 360's. SONY has (arguably) the strongest exclusive lineup this coming year (taking only announced games into account). It's all facts. You only "spin" when bad news about your company is released. The bad PS3 news is gone. I can see that some of you will never let it go, but that makes you more pathetic than a SONY exec tooting his own horn.

 QFT

 

Dno said: BengaBenga said: Jandre002 said: elnino334 said: BengaBenga said: I dont think Banjo, Fable, and GoW2 is as good as Bioshock,Mass Effect, and Halo 3. Nope you're right. But they don't have to cause these games aren't gonna dissapear or decrease in quality all of a sudden. + GTA4 exclusive content, + Alan Wake, + Tales of Vesperia, + $100,- price difference, + Gears 2, + incredibly strong existing catalog I think 360 can be competitive at least. I agree that PS3 will have a good year though.   What I meant with "Halo, Bioshock, Gears still count" is that this April A LOT of people will want to play GTA4 that haven't upgraded to this gen yet. They have to decide which console to buy.  The thing is that at the moment of GTA4 release the 360 has way better games available. Halo, Bioshock, Gears (and to a lesser extent Lost Odyssee and Mass Effect) are all 360 exclusives that are available. Sony is saying for over a year now that the great games are coming, but only Uncharted can compete with these 360 exclusives. The question is what will be the decision: Games you can play NOW or games you can play later (and to be honest, besides MGS4 there's still no word on releasedates of the REAL big games GT and FF). I think a lot of these GTA4-upgraders will choose 360 because of this and the exclusive content. I really think this PR guy should shut his big mouth, and focusses on getting the games out. PS3 needs FF13 and GT5 NOW, not somewhere without a solid release date.   If by needing ff13 and GT5 now u mean actually selling more units then 360 and almost a 100% leap in sells then last year then you are right. dont no why people hate on ps3 so much its not going anywere and it will sell more then the 360 this year thats seems like a pretty good fact.

Where did I show hate on PS3, I never do that. I try to be like Fox News, Fair and Balanced (with preferences of course). I said several times that the PS3 is doing very well, but let's be honest, that's compared to last year. 

What I meant by: "they need FF and GT now" is that GTA4 will be an enormously important game in the battle between 360 and PS3 and Sony would have made their lives a lot easier if the big games were there. GTA4 will be the first really big game for PS3 and that's multiplatform.

Again, I have no doubt that PS3 will outperform 360 in yearly sales, but there is a 7 million gap to close, and GTA4 looks to become a very big success for Microsoft.

thekitchensink said: Lone_Canis_Lupus said: HappySqurriel said: Lone_Canis_Lupus said: As BS as this whole PR thing is(which isn't surprising...I mean, no matter the company...PR is usually annoying), that part is surprisingly true in my experience. Most of my friends that have already gone to next-gen systems have all gone to the 360 or Wii...but all my friends that stayed behind with the PS2 to make a choice later are wanting a PS3. He's not talking about the people that have already switched, but the people that stayed with the PS2. It sounds BS...but all my friends that did stay behind with the PS2 are starting to want a PS3 over the Wii and 360. Don't shoot down that quote just yet...he might be right that as the PS2 gradually dies, the ones left behind with it might come in a mass herd toward the PS3.   There might still be quite a bit that go toward the 360 or Wii...but reading that quote made me think about all my friends still with the PS2. And I think it's interesting he might be right about that...having a lot of potential customers still with the PS2. You will always have a segment of the population that is brand loyal, but there really isn't that many of them ... As an example, one of my friends owned a walkman, discman and a minidisc player and refuses to buy an iPod because it isn't produced by Sony; until the iPod was released he never seemed to care much about Apple at all and now they're the devil for producing a piece of hardware people actually wanted. Even though Sony was super popular with their portable music players for decades this didn't prevent Apple from comming along and dominating the MP3 player market when they produced the right product ...  That's different...this is a new generation that hasn't been around long at all. There are still a lot of people that haven't moved to the next generation yet. A lot of PS2 users are still undecided. This is the point I'm making...in my case, what he said in that quote is true. All of my friends that stayed behind with the PS2 want a PS3 over the 360 and Wii...this is just in my case though. I'd have to go around and meet a lot of other people that stayed with the PS2 to confirm this. Well, that's fine, but I personally know two people who only owned PS2's last gen and only own (and intend to own) Wii's.  I don't know anyone else who owns or intends to own a PS3.   And yes, in PR, you're actually seen in a BETTER light if you praise the competition and then show how you're better than them.  If Sony were to say, "The competition has a very nice lineup of games this year, but we think ours is better", (for example), then they wouldn't be seen as so idiotic.

I quoted this tree so that we could see the different experiences.

The brand loyalty is usually overestimated, actually if we look at it close enough, it doesn't even exist. There's only brand familiarity or brand recognition.
As "Playstation" have become a synonyme for consoles in most cases, the brand is well recognised, which would mean, that people prefer Playstation over competition. But since the brand has expanded beyond what the brand is, people are buying 360:s and Wiis as the next Playstations just like they are buying PS3:s.

People who bought PS2:s, bought it for various reasons; it was the hot item, familiar brand, games library, it had "the" game, budget priced games, BC for predecessor games, brand loyalty.
Now when you look what PS3 has about the things i listed, it has only familiar brand, propably the most loyalists, BC only in NA, "the" game, while this time competition has similar games or ports of them.

And the competition: hot item, "the" game, larger games library, cheaper games, budget priced/cheap basket games, and the hardware is cheaper.

Brand loyalty/brand recognition means, that from 2 similar products you are going to choose the familiar one, or you are willing to pay more for that product. If you have a more interesting product, the brand loyalty/familiary aspect is gone.

And the companies that rely on brand loyalty, usually end up gone, financial trouble or they need to change drastically and it's even historically shown. The car industry around the world, the games industry, etc. Pick any industry, and you see how companies have gone down, ended in financial troubles or changed drastically because they have thought that their product is so good that the former customers want only their product, while competition has offered something better or interesting.

MGS4 coming on June 12 WW.
It will sell 1 mln. FIRST day.
There will be 14-15 mln. PS3 sold by that time.

IF MGS4 bundle will be WW, then that week will be 400-500k PS3 sold.

GTA4 LTD sales will be better on PS3.
First week sales with 12,5 mln. PS3 and 18 mln. x360 will be probably on pair.