Surely you don't consider two years on familar hardware with the same engine to be the same as two years building a new engine and game for a completely new system. Because that would just be silly.  If anything, they should have taken DriveClub's route and delayed the game to release it closer to when all the content was ready (or close to ready). But they have a baseline now, and have proven in the past that a two year development cycle is more than enough to put out a high quality racer with plenty of talent.

The obvious comparison is Gran Turismo, but that's apples and oranges. GT could certainly use a little more time in the oven gameplay wise and a little less time meticulously detailing 400 cars or so, to the point that the other 800+ in the game are spruced up PS2 cars. Two very different development processes. I would love for PD to spend more time innovating the actual game play and less time making automobile porn.

Some of the badges and achievements in FM4 where only doable with DLC so its nothing new and other games did it long before Forza did it.  If it would have been just as easy to integrate DLC on the 360 they also would have recomment DLC cars for certain races.  Also its not like you need DLC cars to win any race in the career mode if you only want 1000GS out of the game all the content is there without buying any DLC.

Its a car game.  How in the hell do you expct any one to innovate game play that was is will be a car going around a track ?

And with more time they could release a much better more content filled game, but then they would get to charge people 60 a pop plus 50 car pass every two years.  

Guess what, Forza GT, 99% the same gameplay.  

Adding RPG elements would just lead to more micro transactions which people hate even more then DLC.

Well they have a deal with Ford and them revealing it this ealy is mostly due to the reveal of the new Ford GT yesterday.

I actually thought it was a pretty neat way to reveal it. Glad they did it now instead of wasting time at E3, we know Forza is coming and a lot of us are happy with that but I think we can all agree we'd rather the stuff we know is coming be revealed outside of E3 to give more time for new things.

I see you completely ignored the point about two years on last gen being completely different than two years building a new engine and game on a new console, so I'll chalk that up as a point for Turn 10, thanks.

Regarding what you did respond to, they can innovate GT gameplay by changing the handling model, introducing a real damage modeling system and making it more realistic. The franchise has needed a reboot on its hilariously awful AI for years and years now. That's just off the top of my head without giving it much real though. And you know what? They actually get paid to sit around and think of this stuff! Imagine the possibilities they could come up with if they weren't busy remodeling the back wiper blade into the perfect spot on a premium car because it was off by 2 inches or porting in 300 standard cars from GT3.

What you're saying is you'd rather play the exact same game every time so long as there are 1,300 cars in the game. You're ok with racing around the same tracks or maybe even some new ones, plus some ones from last gen that are ugly and out of place, so long as there is content. It might feel exactly the same on those tracks as the last game, but who cares! There's so many! But less content with a chance of experiencing something actually new, fuck that noise! I need 41 different Skylines! I just.. can't agree with that. The funny thing is the franchise on the extremely long development cycle should be the one that is innovating the gameplay the most and the one on the two year cycle should be the one that feels like retreads, but in this case it's the exact opposite. And that comes from someone who played about as much GT 1-3 as anyone. I think aside from getting my Dreamcast, my gaming heart has never been as excited as when I went into Walmart and stumbled on the last copy of GT2.

So you can continue waiting on the GT6 retread, Forza fans will continue to experience good games every other year. And please, don't act as if PD is above milking. GT6 has microtransactions for fucks sake. This is the last reply I will make concerning GT though.

New hardware, new engine... but I get you don't understand that do you?

Knew this would prove controversial in some way lol. I think two years is enough time to develop a good quality racing game.

I'm think that they will reveal some more info on May 3rd the 10th anniversary of the franchise a bit more at E3 and the majority of the rest of the info closer to the games launch date.