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binary solo on 07 January 2015
GribbleGrunger said:

 

Weekly Hardware Chart 20th December 2014

Platform N. America Europe Japan Global
337,123 384,757 26,219 898,665
269,764 212,593 210,203 744,657
399,585 175,304 1,307 662,429
165,584 72,240 37,946 296,817
109,699 28,582 131 159,461
36,961 61,540 8,804 138,147
13,473 22,662 32,014 80,313
9,008 8,655 293 19,916

Quite a major "in-week" adjustment.

http://hub.vgchartz.com/assets/images2/title-bar-bg.jpg) 0px 0px repeat scroll transparent;margin: auto;">Weekly Hardware Chart 20th December 2014

 

PlatformN. AmericaEuropeJapanGlobal
269,764 212,593 210,203 744,657
293,247 285,961 26,219 717,582
340,259 137,291 1,307 545,968
165,584 72,240 37,946 296,817
109,699 28,582 131 159,461
36,961 61,540 8,804 138,147
13,473 22,662 32,014 80,313
9,008 8,655 293 19,916

And only a tiny WoW increase in some cases

Global Hardware by Platform

PlatformWeekly (change)Total
3DS 744,657 (+29%) 49,251,107
PS4 717,582 (+5%) 17,340,543
XOne 545,968 (+17%) 10,220,993
WiiU 296,817 (+25%) 8,517,443
X360 159,461 (+20%) 84,258,213
PS3 138,147 (+15%) 84,376,450
PSV 80,313 (+24%) 9,425,826
Wii 19,916 (+12%) 100,896,644
Total2,702,861(+18%) 

PS4 global LTD is knocked back to 17.3M. I'm not sure how it's going to go from 17.3M to 18.5M within 2 weeks. Seems like they've gone from over track to undertrack in a matter of days. If W/E 20th is the biggest sales week for December then W/E 27th will only be 500K and W/E 3 Jan will only be about 300K. That puts the VGC LTD as at 3 Jan on 18.1M, which is 400K undertracked. I can't see PS4 selling 1.2M in the final 2 weeks of the year. Unless that last minute mad Christmas rush gives PS4 a 900K week for W/E 27 Dec.

UK has been adjusted to give PS3 the win for the last 2 weeks, this will align with the official announcement that PS4 won December in the UK, even though VGC still has Xb one winning Cyber Monday week by 1K the overall month lead is with PS4.



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Kerotan on 07 January 2015
Ninsect said:
hannes.b said:
Ninsect said:
hannes.b said:


We Don't Need to discuss anymore

ps4 is at 18.5m as of 2. January 2015

Not even Close to Wii, as i said

Wii had shipped 20.14m by then so the numbers will be effectively the same.


Wii sold through was probably about 99% for the second holiday because it was still supply contained

ps4 is not hard to find or get

 

That's not effectively the same.

But we can talk again in February, after Sony earnings.

99% LOL no. That is simply impossible.

Yeah sure, hope you don't turn out to be an alt before then


Looks like you called it. He was prinz_valium 



binary solo on 07 January 2015
CGI-Quality said:
binary solo said:

Quite a major "in-week" adjustment.

PS4 global LTD is knocked back to 17.3M. I'm not sure how it's going to go from 17.3M to 18.5M within 2 weeks. Seems like they've gone from over track to undertrack in a matter of days. If W/E 20th is the biggest sales week for December then W/E 27th will only be 500K and W/E 3 Jan will only be about 300K. That puts the VGC LTD as at 3 Jan on 18.1M, which is 400K undertracked. I can't see PS4 selling 1.2M in the final 2 weeks of the year. Unless that last minute mad Christmas rush gives PS4 a 900K week for W/E 27 Dec.

UK has been adjusted to give PS3 the win for the last 2 weeks, this will align with the official announcement that PS4 won December in the UK, even though VGC still has Xb one winning Cyber Monday week by 1K the overall month lead is with PS4.

Yeah, I'm thinking the PS4 should be at about 17.5 million. This would reflect the math that was originally stating a 700K overtrack. Nevertheless, it's far closer to accuracy than it was, so that's a plus!

My maths reckoned on a 500K overtrack. I think 800K is about as much as you can expect for the next 2 weeks, which means the LTD at 20 dec should be 17.7K. All will be revealed soon, I hope, when 27 Dec numbers are released. If PS4 isn't above 18 million with 27 Dec numbers then VGC will be almost as undertracked now as it was over tracked 2 days ago.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

Justagamer on 07 January 2015
Ninsect said:
hannes.b said:


We Don't Need to discuss anymore

ps4 is at 18.5m as of 2. January 2015

Not even Close to Wii, as i said

Wii had shipped 20.14m by then so the numbers will be effectively the same.


Not the same, lol. The wii was sold out everywhere for a couple of years. So that 20.xx million shipped was essentially sold. Clearly not the same for the ps4. It's selling well, but it is not sold out everywhere.



NintendoPie on 07 January 2015
tak13 said:


Oh my gosh zorg!Big deal!That's because of Japan...From 110k in 13(51week) to 38k(51week) 14...but other territories counterbalance this a lot...!:P

You don't think a failing console is a big deal?

OT: Nice for 3DS and it might be able to get 50 million by year's end. 



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Justagamer on 07 January 2015
CGI-Quality said:
Justagamer said:
Ninsect said:

Wii had shipped 20.14m by then so the numbers will be effectively the same.


Not the same, lol. The wii was sold out everywhere for a couple of years. So that 20.xx million shipped was essentially sold. Clearly not the same for the ps4. It's selling well, but it is not sold out everywhere.

The Wii was not sold out everywhere for a couple of years (though through '09, there were rough times finding them in different places). Furthering that, I find it ironic that you'll call Wii's shipped numbers: "essentially sold", but firmly claimed that the PS4's numbers are shipped, even when it was stated and re-stated that they were sold-through. 

Bottom line, the Wii shipped 20 million in the same amount of time the PS4 sold 18.5 million to consumers. Unless you believe the PS4 has sold-through all of its shipment, then it probably has shipped about the same amount.


Ok, the ps4 numbers are sell through to customers... but that doesn't change the fact that the wii was sold out, and the ps4 isnt. What I find funny, is that you were so adamant about the whole ps4 sell through numbers, that I find it funny you are now pushing shipped numbers... if they both shipped 20 million, I think there's very little doubt that the wii sold more. It was sold out after all... anyone can go into a store for months now, and buy a ps4, but the same couldn't be said for the wii. You can't argue that. It's clear, the wii sold more... just accept it. 



starcraft on 07 January 2015
CGI-Quality said:
Justagamer said:
CGI-Quality said:

- snip

Ok, the ps4 numbers are sell through to customers... but that doesn't change the fact that the wii was sold out, and the ps4 isnt. What I find funny, is that you were so adamant about the whole ps4 sell through numbers, that I find it funny you are now pushing shipped numbers... if they both shipped 20 million, I think there's very little doubt that the wii sold more. It was sold out after all... anyone can go into a store for months now, and buy a ps4, but the same couldn't be said for the wii. You can't argue that. It's clear, the wii sold more... just accept it. 

I'm not "pushing" shipped numbers nor am I having trouble accepting anything. I'm doing basic math and using common sense. If the PS4 sold 18.5 million units as of Jan 4, it should have shipped close to 20 million in that same time frame. So, as I said earlier, unless you think the PS4 has sold through all of its current shipment, it should be right at the same shipped amount as the previous market leader.

Lets just all wait for shipped numbers in a context where lies and deception are not acceptable, i.e. the quarterly financials.

Both Microsoft and Sony, and to a lesser extent Sony, have been so dodgy this generation with wording around shipped and sold-through that we just don't actually know what they mean until they are legally required to tell us.

No sense arguing too vehemently about small differences until then.



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starcraft on 07 January 2015
CGI-Quality said:
starcraft said:

Lets just all wait for shipped numbers in a context where lies and deception are not acceptable, i.e. the quarterly financials.

Both Microsoft and Sony, and to a lesser extent Sony, have been so dodgy this generation with wording around shipped and sold-through that we just don't actually know what they mean until they are legally required to tell us.

No sense arguing too vehemently about small differences until then.

No need to wait for Sony's financials to believe them when they say they've sold 18.5 million consoles. We can speculate on shipping, however, because the number has to be higher. How much is anyone's guess, and in that case, we can await the financials.

I do believe they have sold 18.5 million consoles. However sold-through, for a manufacturer, technically means sold to their customers, who are retailers. There is of course every possibility they meant sold to consumers and that shipped numbers are distinct, and therefore higher. We hope that, we don't know that. 

As a result, waiting a few weeks to know for sure is easier than fighting with poor information. The other option is to harrass Sony execs on Twitter for specific comments (eg. using the words 'end-users' or consumers), which I know is a tactic the Xbox community has begun to adopt (admittedly with varying degrees of success).



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starcraft on 08 January 2015
CGI-Quality said:
starcraft said:

It was spelled out that they sold 18.5 million to the consumer, not just retailers (like hitting 4.2 million and 10 million), so there's no need to keep going over that. They had "shipped" 13.5 million as of September 30, so at this point, my only curiosity is what they've shipped until now.

Oh they said consumers? As in used the word, not just said 'sold-through?' If so I apologise, I missed that.

But I agree, we still wont know what they have shipped either way. People from some parts of the world reckon the PS4 is nearly sold out, from other parts they insist they could walk into a Best Buy and purchase a pallet of 50. We just don't know.



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starcraft on 08 January 2015
CGI-Quality said:
starcraft said:

Oh they said consumers? As in used the word, not just said 'sold-through?' If so I apologise, I missed that.

But I agree, we still wont know what they have shipped either way. People from some parts of the world reckon the PS4 is nearly sold out, from other parts they insist they could walk into a Best Buy and purchase a pallet of 50. We just don't know.

Yep sold to consumer. Then again, sold-through is the exact same meaning, at least for them. Whenever Sony states this, they make sure they also reiterate the specific meaning. When they announced that they had shipped 13.5 million units by September 30, the term: "sold-through" was never used.

Haha yeah no I found it myself: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102311586#.

I would never trust a word that bloke Tassi writes, if nothing else is research his limited and his writing sub-par

'Sold-through' as an economic term is actually generally used as a percentage of shipments, and does mean sold to consumers. Its a bit strange Sony switched in one paragraph from 'Sold-through' to 'retail sales' to apparently describe the same thing. But as I said, we'll know for sure when they're legally obliged to give us an accurate picture.



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