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RolStoppable said:
Bofferbrauer said:

I don't think Nintendo will release the NX already this year. Nintendo always showed their next console (well, mostly a mockup thereof, but still) around 1 year and a half in advance, be it Wii U, Wii or Gamecube. This hasn't happened yet. Also, Nintendo just said they won't rush the system out, so I really wonder why sobmany are still hellbent on a 2016 release.

@bolded: Oh, so you know what else is coming this year which hasn't been announced yet?

The 3DS was first shown at E3 2010 and launched in February 2011. Given that there is no advantage in having a 1.5 year long gap between reveal and launch, there's no good reason why Nintendo shouldn't change the timing this time around. The gap between reveal and launch certainly didn't help the Wii U because Sony and Microsoft had plenty of time to downplay everything. As for the games, the release schedule of the past and the upcoming months for both the Wii U and 3DS should serve as a good hint that at this point all Nintendo is doing is bridging the gap until their new hardware launches.

There are doubts about the exact meaning of Kimishima's recent statements because the translation was questionable. But more importantly, the available pieces of information point towards a 2016 launch:

1. NX will have a (for the most part) shared library and different form factors for the hardware.
2. The 3DS is already five years old and in need of a successor.
3. The Wii U is far from a healthy platform and should be replaced rather sooner than later.
4. The current release schedules for both systems are largely devoid of EAD games and those are the first teams that make software for new hardware.

If NX launches in 2017, then only because Nintendo couldn't get it ready as planned.

Your 1. is 90% assumption without any facts.





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Soundwave said:

They probably could have shown the NX last year, but then what? Wii U sales are so shitty they would've cratered and 3DS handheld shipments are Nintendo's lowest in like 15+ years ... so they can't afford for those to go any lower either.

There was literally zero benefit for Nintendo showing the NX last year, the only thing it would have accoplished is hurting what's left of the Wii U/3DS' likely last full holiday season. 

Nintendo announced the N64 just two years into the SNES life cycle too ... lol ... things change, you can't keep operating the same way forever.

With the N64 Nintendo was so late in the market. When competitors were releasing their consoles, Nintendo had to have something to show to spark the market's interest.

Thunderbird77 said:
RolStoppable said:
Bofferbrauer said:

I don't think Nintendo will release the NX already this year. Nintendo always showed their next console (well, mostly a mockup thereof, but still) around 1 year and a half in advance, be it Wii U, Wii or Gamecube. This hasn't happened yet. Also, Nintendo just said they won't rush the system out, so I really wonder why sobmany are still hellbent on a 2016 release.

@bolded: Oh, so you know what else is coming this year which hasn't been announced yet?

The 3DS was first shown at E3 2010 and launched in February 2011. Given that there is no advantage in having a 1.5 year long gap between reveal and launch, there's no good reason why Nintendo shouldn't change the timing this time around. The gap between reveal and launch certainly didn't help the Wii U because Sony and Microsoft had plenty of time to downplay everything. As for the games, the release schedule of the past and the upcoming months for both the Wii U and 3DS should serve as a good hint that at this point all Nintendo is doing is bridging the gap until their new hardware launches.

There are doubts about the exact meaning of Kimishima's recent statements because the translation was questionable. But more importantly, the available pieces of information point towards a 2016 launch:

1. NX will have a (for the most part) shared library and different form factors for the hardware.
2. The 3DS is already five years old and in need of a successor.
3. The Wii U is far from a healthy platform and should be replaced rather sooner than later.
4. The current release schedules for both systems are largely devoid of EAD games and those are the first teams that make software for new hardware.

If NX launches in 2017, then only because Nintendo couldn't get it ready as planned.

Your 1. is 90% assumption without any facts.



Not quite, that's excactly what Iwata said about NX.





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bdbdbd, the only information Iwata ever said about NX is that it's hardware.



Thunderbird77 said:

bdbdbd, the only information Iwata ever said about NX is that it's hardware.

 


So everybody just imagined in May 2014 when he said they plan on offering a unified architecture & operating system similar to iOS that will allow for easy porting to and from devices along with the possibilty of increasing the number of form factors and stating they will revolutionize gaming in about two years? Ya that must have been a dream.



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zorg1000 said:
Thunderbird77 said:

bdbdbd, the only information Iwata ever said about NX is that it's hardware.

 


So everybody just imagined in May 2014 when he said they plan on offering a unified architecture & operating system similar to iOS that will allow for easy porting to and from devices along with the possibilty of increasing the number of form factors and stating they will revolutionize gaming in about two years? Ya that must have been a dream.

Exactly. Iwata said the NX is hardware. Nintendo said, without mentioning NX in particular, that their next consoles will have the same architeture . Nothing about sharing library and certainly not "NX will have a (for the most part) shared library and different form factors for the hardware" as a fact. The only thing about form factors was said that the market would determine it. And he was talking about a handheld and a home console as one form factor each, with the market determining if something else (third pillar) would be necessary, not about the same system having many models. A mix of clear and vague PR words, far away from what you and others are saying.





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Thunderbird77 said:
zorg1000 said:

 


So everybody just imagined in May 2014 when he said they plan on offering a unified architecture & operating system similar to iOS that will allow for easy porting to and from devices along with the possibilty of increasing the number of form factors and stating they will revolutionize gaming in about two years? Ya that must have been a dream.

Exactly. Iwata said the NX is hardware. Nintendo said, without mentioning NX in particular, that their next consoles will have the same architeture . Nothing about sharing library and certainly not "NX will have a (for the most part) shared library and different form factors for the hardware" as a fact. The only thing about form factors was said that the market would determine it. And he was talking about a handheld and a home console as one form factor each, with the market determining if something else (third pillar) would be necessary, not about the same system having many models. A mix of clear and vague PR words, far away from what you and others are saying.



Not quite, didn't Iwata use Ios and Android as an example of their approach on NX, just that instead of an operating system that would work on multiple hardware, Nintendo's plan is to have one hardware that just would have multiple form factors (because of games being programmed directly to hardware). Iwata also told us, that Nintendo need to unify the architecture because it can't support two different devices anymore without causing a games drought for the other. If Nintendo developed the same game for 3DS and Wii U, they'd need to make the same game twice.

You do know that NX isn't supposed to be "one hardware", but "Nintendo hardware from now to an end"? If the market determines Nintendo needs something else, then they'll make something else for the market.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

bdbdbd said:
Thunderbird77 said:

Exactly. Iwata said the NX is hardware. Nintendo said, without mentioning NX in particular, that their next consoles will have the same architeture . Nothing about sharing library and certainly not "NX will have a (for the most part) shared library and different form factors for the hardware" as a fact. The only thing about form factors was said that the market would determine it. And he was talking about a handheld and a home console as one form factor each, with the market determining if something else (third pillar) would be necessary, not about the same system having many models. A mix of clear and vague PR words, far away from what you and others are saying.



Not quite, didn't Iwata use Ios and Android as an example of their approach on NX, just that instead of an operating system that would work on multiple hardware, Nintendo's plan is to have one hardware that just would have multiple form factors (because of games being programmed directly to hardware). Iwata also told us, that Nintendo need to unify the architecture because it can't support two different devices anymore without causing a games drought for the other. If Nintendo developed the same game for 3DS and Wii U, they'd need to make the same game twice.

You do know that NX isn't supposed to be "one hardware", but "Nintendo hardware from now to an end"? If the market determines Nintendo needs something else, then they'll make something else for the market.

Answering your question, no, Iwata never said they would have one hardware with multiple form factors. He did mention the next portables and home consoles would be like brothers because of the same architeture, and the reason for that is to ease development (a team that works on one of the two will already get knowhow about the other and porting, when necessary, gets easier).





Week 49-52 have been adjusted down so the Wii U is now down on 2014 :(



WoodenPints said:

Week 49-52 have been adjusted down so the Wii U is now down on 2014 :(

 

That's not good to hear... What if we follow Japan's lead and use 53 weeks for 2015? Would 2015 still be behind 2014?



Looks like it stayed sort of flat. Doesn't matter if it's a big higher or a bit lower, I'd consider it flat. Which is good, considering the year was about 3 main games: Yoshi, Splatoon and Mario Maker; all of them turned out to be bigger successes than anticipated and helped to carry the system very well against a year that had Mario Kart 8, Smash Bros. and Donkey Kong.



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