He was talking about PS4 already been making profit on HW even on the first year on market (first time for Sony), so your reply is off place.

Before the price drop. That is why they were able to drop the price. It's normal business tactics dude. Sony screwed themselves on the massive losses they took with the PS3 when it was released. Sony is also in a much worse financial situation than they were at that point in time, it would not only be irresponsible for the business to take massive losses on the console, but it would also be crazy. 

Yeah, I get that. I stated before that there was a price drop on the PS4. I was wrong. For some reason I was thinking there was a price drop on the console and that put it under where it was making profit on each sale. As I said, my mistake.

PS3 sold 14.3m units in its peak year (2011).

PS4 is at 12.9m at the moment, with 3 more weeks to go. It should easily sell the extra 1.4m and surpass PS3's peak year in its first year on the market.

Amazing feat, considering PS3 was $249, had a slim model and was a mature console with hundreds of successful games. The PS4 will still sell more with much less going for it.

Chartz says 14.7 million for 2011 for PS3. With 2 weeks to go it's got too do pretty much exactly 1.8 million (or are we going to be counting the W/E 3 Jan as a 2014 week?). I don't think it'll make it. I don't think PS4 will crack 1 million for W/E 20 Dec and it will drop substantially for W/E 27 Dec.

If we count W/E 3 Jan in 2014, then it's possible PS4 can average 600K per week across these 3 weeks, but that's a tall order with W/E 3 Jan likely to be around 250K.

I think it was a shoe in if 14.3M was the target, but alas it is not. Might want to change the OP AND the thread title to be PS4 first year might not quite outsell PS3 peak year.

20 million in year 2 or more likely year 3 seems highly probable. I think 20% growth year on year for 2 years running is pretty reasonable. Esp with probably a $50 price cut in 2015, and then a slim model and further price cut in 2016.  Can PS4's peak year be 10 million more than PS3's peak year? If year 4 is the peak year then possibly yes.

Chartz says 14.7 million for 2011 for PS3. With 2 weeks to go it's got too do pretty much exactly 1.8 million (or are we going to be counting the W/E 3 Jan as a 2014 week?). I don't think it'll make it. I don't think PS4 will crack 1 million for W/E 20 Dec and it will drop substantially for W/E 27 Dec.

If we count W/E 3 Jan in 2014, then it's possible PS4 can average 600K per week across these 3 weeks, but that's a tall order with W/E 3 Jan likely to be around 250K.

I think it was a shoe in if 14.3M was the target, but alas it is not. Might want to change the OP AND the thread title to be PS4 first year might not quite outsell PS3 peak year.

20 million in year 2 or more likely year 3 seems highly probable. I think 20% growth year on year for 2 years running is pretty reasonable. Esp with probably a $50 price cut in 2015, and then a slim model and further price cut in 2016.  Can PS4's peak year be 10 million more than PS3's peak year? If year 4 is the peak year then possibly yes.

Where did you get the 14.7 figure? I was looking at the tools section. Says 14,313,808.

http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2011/Global/

Something a bit fishy about the tools graph and the yearly table being off by 400K. I also notice the 360 is higher by over 100K on the tools graph. Making the gap for 2011 according to the graph just 300-some K whereas the gap according to this table is 900K.

What to believe when the site is contradicting itself. Does the graph represent adjustments, but the yearly table reflect a static picture as of 1 jan 2012? or is it the other way around?

If you go to the weekly charts for the end of 2011 and 2010 and substract the numbers manually, you get 14,313,808. So I'd say that's the "correct" figure.

So that suggests the yearly sales charts never get adjusted, which is disappointing as this means there is redundant information here, including all the software numbers. E.g. for 2011 you can see that CoD:MW3 has 12.5 and 10.3 million on the yearly chart. But using the game comparison tool it shows 11.5M and 9.6M. The game pages match the game comparison graphs.

Oh well, that makes the yearly sales chart completely useless as a quick and easy reference if there are adjustments made. They might as well remove them if they are not kept up to date.