Samus Aran said: Shouldn't we start banning people for claiming Nintendo only makes kiddie games? Have any of the people who made those claims beaten Super Mario 3D World and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze 100%? Is Fire Emblem a kiddie franchise? When one of your party members dies in this game he/she is gone for good! You can even let your party members fall in love with each other so they can make babies! How freaking hardcore is that! Or what about Metroid Prime trilogy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PhRiX0sTDo this is a trilogy for kids? Uhm... Xenoblade Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles X are for kids??? Are you guys for real?  What about Bayonetta 2 (funded and published by NINTENDO)? Also for kids? Or Devil's Third?  Eternal Darkness?  Fatal Frame V?

So ban people just for having an opinion unfavorable to the eyes of almighty nintendo fans? I never said that nintendo ONLY makes kid games. I did say that the MAJORITY of nintendo's games were intended for kids. Why does "the majority of nintendo's games are intended are for kids" or "the majority of nintendo's games are kid games" that bother you so much? You do realize that the "everyone" rating is really the "for kids" rating. Kids can't touch the teen, mature or AO stuff, so kids can only play the "everyone" games. Anyone can play these games and enjoy them. It's not a matter of "an adult playing a kid game, he must be immature". Is that what you think I mean by when I say the majority of nintendo's games are for kids? I do not mean that or even imply that.

Aeolus451 said: Samus Aran said: Shouldn't we start banning people for claiming Nintendo only makes kiddie games? Have any of the people who made those claims beaten Super Mario 3D World and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze 100%? Is Fire Emblem a kiddie franchise? When one of your party members dies in this game he/she is gone for good! You can even let your party members fall in love with each other so they can make babies! How freaking hardcore is that! Or what about Metroid Prime trilogy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PhRiX0sTDo this is a trilogy for kids? Uhm... Xenoblade Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles X are for kids??? Are you guys for real?  What about Bayonetta 2 (funded and published by NINTENDO)? Also for kids? Or Devil's Third?  Eternal Darkness?  Fatal Frame V? So ban people just for having an opinion unfavorable to the eyes of almighty nintendo fans? I never said that nintendo ONLY makes kid games. I did say that the MAJORITY of nintendo's games were intended for kids. Why does "the majority of nintendo's games are intended are for kids" or "the majority of nintendo's games are kid games" that bother you so much? You do realize that the "everyone" rating is really the "for kids" rating. Kids can't touch the teen, mature or AO stuff, so kids can only play the "everyone" games. Anyone can play these games and enjoy them. It's not a matter of "an adult playing a kid game, he must be immature". Is that what you think I mean by when I say the majority of nintendo's games are for kids? I do not mean that or even imply that.

Lol, in what fantasy world? Go play some CoD with voice chat on and then tell me kids don't touch that stuff. That's the flaw of your entire argument. It renders it moot. 

And who said I was referring to you? I saw some people (don't remember their names) say some cringe worthy stuff about Nintendo games. 

In case you don't understand, I'm not talking about age ratings. I'm talking about the factual demographic userbase of Nintendo, Sony and XBOX fans. It's impossible to know which demographic is younger than the other(s). Your perception might differ from reality. 

For example, you'd think that higher costs of studying (Univerity/College) would translate to less people participating in higher education. But that is not supported by factual statistics! It's debunked by it! There's no correlation between cost of studying and participation (there is however a correlation between participation in higher education and the amount of money a country invests in education). 

Turned what around? This things gonna crawl past 16m total.

Captain_Tom said: Turned what around? This things gonna crawl past 16m total.

From a barren library to a decent library! With good games coming in 2015!

Saleswise, yes, it's a failure. Doesn't matter to me as long as they keep supporting it. 

Samus Aran said: Shouldn't we start banning people for claiming Nintendo only makes kiddie games? Have any of the people who made those claims beaten Super Mario 3D World and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze 100%? Is Fire Emblem a kiddie franchise? When one of your party members dies in this game he/she is gone for good! You can even let your party members fall in love with each other so they can make babies! How freaking hardcore is that! Or what about Metroid Prime trilogy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PhRiX0sTDo this is a trilogy for kids? Uhm... Xenoblade Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles X are for kids??? Are you guys for real?  What about Bayonetta 2 (funded and published by NINTENDO)? Also for kids? Or Devil's Third?  Eternal Darkness?  Fatal Frame V? The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask? Sin & Punishment?

1) Making a game hard does not make it any less geared towards kids or "Family" gamers

2) I could counter your adult list with a massively larger Playstation  list geared towards adults, and they would be rated way higher.  Also Zelda geared towards adults?!

Captain_Tom said: Samus Aran said: Shouldn't we start banning people for claiming Nintendo only makes kiddie games? Have any of the people who made those claims beaten Super Mario 3D World and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze 100%? Is Fire Emblem a kiddie franchise? When one of your party members dies in this game he/she is gone for good! You can even let your party members fall in love with each other so they can make babies! How freaking hardcore is that! Or what about Metroid Prime trilogy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PhRiX0sTDo this is a trilogy for kids? Uhm... Xenoblade Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles X are for kids??? Are you guys for real?  What about Bayonetta 2 (funded and published by NINTENDO)? Also for kids? Or Devil's Third?  Eternal Darkness?  Fatal Frame V? The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask? Sin & Punishment?  1) Making a game hard does not make it any less geared towards kids or "Family" gamers 2) I could counter your adult list with a massively larger Playstation  list geared towards adults, and they would be rated way higher.  Also Zelda geared towards adults?!

1) Maybe you've been playing too many easy games, otherwise you wouldn't say such a thing. Lot's of modern "mature" games are piss easy. It looks like they were made for 12 year olds. 

2) You obviously never played Majora's Mask. And who says your games are being played by only adults? CoD has many little kids playing online... Kids love "mature" games. 

Samus Aran said: Captain_Tom said: Turned what around? This things gonna crawl past 16m total. From a barren library to a decent library! With good games coming in 2015! Saleswise, yes, it's a failure. Doesn't matter to me as long as they keep supporting it.

Then we could say Sony turned the PS4 around next year.  Except nothing was turned around because most consoles start off with less software than they end with.

To really "Turn the Wii U around" I would expect the same kind of third party support PS/Xbox get.  Until then it is still under-supported and propped up by first parties.

Captain_Tom said: Samus Aran said: Captain_Tom said: Turned what around? This things gonna crawl past 16m total. From a barren library to a decent library! With good games coming in 2015! Saleswise, yes, it's a failure. Doesn't matter to me as long as they keep supporting it.  Then we could say Sony turned the PS4 around next year.  Except nothing was turned around because most consoles start off with less software than they end with. To really "Turn the Wii U around" I would expect the same kind of third party support PS/Xbox get.  Until then it is still under-supported and propped up by first parties.

Nintendo's consoles haven't had good third party support since the N64. Nintendo fans obviously don't need third party games to buy a Nintendo console. 

As for money, Nintendo made more profitt during the GC-GBA era than Sony during the PS2 era. Is it unfair to compare two consoles to only one? Ok, GC-GBA era made more money for Nintendo than the PS2-PS3-PSP era. 

Nintendo made a mistake by selling the Wii U and 3DS for a loss at launch. But both those things have been corrected now (and this is why we aren't seeing a price cut for the Wii U yet). They're finally profitable again, and yes that is a turnaround for them.

Samus Aran said: Captain_Tom said: Samus Aran said: Shouldn't we start banning people for claiming Nintendo only makes kiddie games? Have any of the people who made those claims beaten Super Mario 3D World and Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze 100%? Is Fire Emblem a kiddie franchise? When one of your party members dies in this game he/she is gone for good! You can even let your party members fall in love with each other so they can make babies! How freaking hardcore is that! Or what about Metroid Prime trilogy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PhRiX0sTDo this is a trilogy for kids? Uhm... Xenoblade Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles X are for kids??? Are you guys for real?  What about Bayonetta 2 (funded and published by NINTENDO)? Also for kids? Or Devil's Third?  Eternal Darkness?  Fatal Frame V? The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask? Sin & Punishment?  1) Making a game hard does not make it any less geared towards kids or "Family" gamers 2) I could counter your adult list with a massively larger Playstation  list geared towards adults, and they would be rated way higher.  Also Zelda geared towards adults?! 1) Maybe you've been playing too many easy games, otherwise you wouldn't say such a thing. Lot's of modern "mature" games are piss easy. 2) You obviously never played Majora's Mask. And who says your games are being played by only adults? CoD has many little kids playing online... Kids love "mature" games.

1) Too many easy games?!  My favorite 3 series are MGS, Demon's Souls, and The Last Of Us.  How about you try those on the hardest difficulty (With DS only having 1 difficulty: NO MERCY). 

I went back on emulators and demolished Mario, Paper Mario, Pokemon, Kirby, and dozens of other games.  They are no harder than even COD on Veteran.

Oh and I owned an N64, not a Playstation.

2) Anyone I know who played the Zelda games, started them when they were kids; and few still play em.  I'm not saying they are bad or even kiddie, but they are far from mature and definately appeal to the "Family" demographic.  I would play Zelda in front of my little cousin, I would not play GTA V in front of her though.

Captain_Tom said: Samus Aran said: Captain_Tom said: 1) Too many easy games?!  My favorite 3 series are MGS, Demon's Souls, and The Last Of Us.  How about you try those on the hardest difficulty (With DS only having 1 difficulty: NO MERCY).  I went back on emulators and demolished Mario, Paper Mario, Pokemon, Kirby, and dozens of other games.  They are no harder than even COD on Veteran. Oh and I owned an N64, not a Playstation. 2) Anyone I know who played the Zelda games, started them when they were kids; and few still play em.  I'm not saying they are bad or even kiddie, but they are far from mature and definately appeal to the "Family" demographic.  I would play Zelda in front of my little cousin, I would not play GTA V in front of her though.

I played and finished MGS when I was 12 lol... So did my friends. Yeah, we played "mature" games. Those games are super easy, so was The Last of Us. And why should I play on the hardest difficulty? Only thing that changes for most games is enemies hitting harder/having less health. I'll pass. I'll only replay a game if it really resonated with me. 

And pirating games isn't cool. You shouldn't feel proud of doing it. 

As for Kirby, you do realize that was intended as a platforming game for a younger audience right? Nintendo felt Mario games were too hard for some kids, that's why they made Kirby (easy games for the most part, unless you want to 100% them).