Aquietguy said: Aeolus451 said: Aquietguy said: Aeolus451 said: bowserthedog said: bonzobanana said: That article doesn't make a lot of sense. We are entering 2015 with just about all major third party support cancelled for wii u. This year the wii u will be even more a niche format and not get any of the impressive, state of the art games that ps4 or xbone get or the weaker ps3 and 360 versions. Both ps3 and 360 are still more relevant and in mainland Europe the ps3 is still outselling wii u most of the time despite the huge existing ps3 userbase. Nintendo are stuck with the wrong product which they must support for a few more years yet. I don't see the appeal of have yet another GD console to play the same games. We've already got pc, xbox, and playstation, and now steam box. And you peeps want another console playing the same games? I buy one console to play cross platform games and then I buy others for the exclusives and wiiu is by far the best system for exclusives. Most of it's exclusives are kid games and because it doesn't have 3rd support, it's not attracting anyone but nintendo fans and kids. Kids games? Could you define "kids games". Sure. :D A game that's mainly designed to target or appeal to kids but anyone can play it. It's the same with kid shows like teletubbies, spongebob squarepants, power rangers or pokemon. There's nothing wrong with watching or playing something that's mainly for a kid but I'm just gonna say how it is instead of saying that games like that are for "everyone" for the sake of feelings. Nintendo games are targeted to everyone. Just because there is no blood, violence, or bad language doesn't mean its targeted at kids. Certainly thats not all it means to be adult. And its certainly not need to make a good game.

Ok, do you think that teletubies was designed for kids?

Aeolus451 said:   Ok, do you think that teletubies was designed for kids?

Teletubies and Nintendo games are two different things. Just because something doens't have violence, blood, and bad language doesn't make it for kids. And an everybody rating doesn't mean for kids. It just ridicules to think that.

Aquietguy said: Aeolus451 said:   Ok, do you think that teletubies was designed for kids? Teletubies and Nintendo games are two different things. Just because something doens't have violence, blood, and bad language doesn't make it for kids. And an everybody rating doesn't mean for kids. It just ridicules to think that.

Ah, refused to answer that, huh? Nintendo is well known for having games that pertain to kids. It's no secret. There's some adults like to play those games. There's nothing wrong with it. I'm like that with pokemon. I feel like a damn moth that's being drawn to the flame whenever I walk by a tv that has that show on. I don't seek it out but I just can't stop watching if it happens to be on. It's a kid show. There's no point in dressing it up as something else. For example, Mario kart is designed for kids but anyone can play it but that doesn't change the fact of who it was designed for.

I can't believe people are still doing the "Nintendo = kiddie" argument in 2014.

There's a big difference between Teletubbies, which clearly doesn't aim for a level of intelligence above what you'd expect for five-year-olds, and Nintendo's first-party content, which requires a much greater skill level than kids can generally manage.

One of my friends picked up a Wii U recently to play with his son. His son loves things like Super Mario 3D World but, being about six, he's not able to finish the game (pretty sure my friend told me he's made it to world 3 or thereabouts). That doesn't mean he can't enjoy it. It can also be enjoyed by people like his dad or myself, who are in our 30s and love the challenge of the later levels. Neither of us would have any interest in Teletubbies.

atomicblue said: I can't believe people are still doing the "Nintendo = kiddie" argument in 2014. There's a big difference between Teletubbies, which clearly doesn't aim for a level of intelligence above what you'd expect for five-year-olds, and Nintendo's first-party content, which requires a much greater skill level than kids can generally manage. One of my friends picked up a Wii U recently to play with his son. His son loves things like Super Mario 3D World but, being about six, he's not able to finish the game (pretty sure my friend told me he's made it to world 3 or thereabouts). That doesn't mean he can't enjoy it. It can also be enjoyed by people like his dad or myself, who are in our 30s and love the challenge of the later levels. Neither of us would have any interest in Teletubbies.

lol. I used teletubbies as an example. Didn't mean that as a insult to anyone. I could of used My little pony as another example. haha My point is that the majority of nintendo's games are designed for kids. I don't know why some people find that offensive to hear that. I never said anything about an adult not being able to enjoy those games. Like I mentioned several times, it's fine if you like that type of game. To each their own or whatever floats your boat.

Aeolus451 said: atomicblue said: I can't believe people are still doing the "Nintendo = kiddie" argument in 2014. There's a big difference between Teletubbies, which clearly doesn't aim for a level of intelligence above what you'd expect for five-year-olds, and Nintendo's first-party content, which requires a much greater skill level than kids can generally manage. One of my friends picked up a Wii U recently to play with his son. His son loves things like Super Mario 3D World but, being about six, he's not able to finish the game (pretty sure my friend told me he's made it to world 3 or thereabouts). That doesn't mean he can't enjoy it. It can also be enjoyed by people like his dad or myself, who are in our 30s and love the challenge of the later levels. Neither of us would have any interest in Teletubbies. lol. I used teletubbies as an example. Didn't mean that as a insult to anyone. I could of used My little pony as another example. haha My point is that the majority of nintendo's games are designed for kids. I don't know why some people find that offensive to hear that. I never said anything about an adult not being able to enjoy those games. Like I mentioned several times, it's fine if you like that type of game. To each their own or whatever floats your boat.

Unless you have any statistical evidence to back up your claim you're just assuming things. One's perception is often different than reality. 

And I know for a fact that a lot of kids play adult games because they think it makes them cool. Don't you remember your own childhood, lol? 

I wouldn't be surprised if the average age of Nintendo fans was higher than the demographic of XBONE/PS4.

C.S. Lewis said it best: 

"Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

Aeolus451 said: atomicblue said: I can't believe people are still doing the "Nintendo = kiddie" argument in 2014. There's a big difference between Teletubbies, which clearly doesn't aim for a level of intelligence above what you'd expect for five-year-olds, and Nintendo's first-party content, which requires a much greater skill level than kids can generally manage. One of my friends picked up a Wii U recently to play with his son. His son loves things like Super Mario 3D World but, being about six, he's not able to finish the game (pretty sure my friend told me he's made it to world 3 or thereabouts). That doesn't mean he can't enjoy it. It can also be enjoyed by people like his dad or myself, who are in our 30s and love the challenge of the later levels. Neither of us would have any interest in Teletubbies. lol. I used teletubbies as an example. Didn't mean that as a insult to anyone. I could of used My little pony as another example. haha My point is that the majority of nintendo's games are designed for kids. I don't know why some people find that offensive to hear that. I never said anything about an adult not being able to enjoy those games. Like I mentioned several times, it's fine if you like that type of game. To each their own or whatever floats your boat.

I'm not insulted or offended, I just think it's a silly thing to say.

I think you're confusing "designed for kids" with "not designed to exclude kids". I'm sure Nintendo are well aware of the fact that children like to play their games, but so do adults. Something like Teletubbies is designed specifically to be enjoyed by children and not adults (can't comment on My Little Pony as I've never watched even a minute of it so I don't know what it's like). Something like a Mario game is designed to be enjoyed by everyone. Not sure why you can't see the distinction.

When you say of Nintendo games that "they're for kids", that implies that they're designed primarily for children; adults are just an afterthought. Again, given how difficult a lot of those games are, that's clearly not true. If Nintendo made games specifically for kids, they'd be a lot easier.

Based on what I've seen, ironically, there are just as many kids who are into things like GTA and Halo as there are kids who are into Mario or Donkey Kong, if not more.

EDIT: Saw the post above me, was almost going to post the C.S. Lewis quote myself. Also agree that the average Wii U owner is quite possibly older than an XO or PS4 owner. I work at a gaming convention here in Australia and the kids weren't interested in entering the Super Mario 3D World tournament, they all seemed to gravitate towards Halo 3 (also Pokémon, to be fair).

Only 2 non family friendly games (mature) of the liabary is now a good thing? This is the exact problem the wiiu has

Ruler said: Only 2 non family friendly games (mature) of the liabary is now a good thing? This is the exact problem the wiiu has

I certainly wouldn't call it a bad thing As long as the games are good, I don't give a crap about how "mature" they are though.

MikeRox said: Ruler said: Only 2 non family friendly games (mature) of the liabary is now a good thing? This is the exact problem the wiiu has I certainly wouldn't call it a bad thing As long as the games are good, I don't give a crap about how "mature" they are though.

I care, i cant sit there and play the same kind of games all the time.