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r3tr0gam3r1337 on 29 December 2014
michael_stutzer said:
ofrm1 said:
michael_stutzer said:

You can't do a comparison like that. If you include 5$ keyboard and mouse, you should substract the price of the DS4 and add a 5$ gamepad. My mouse was 50$ and DS4 costs about the same.

Also how is Windows unnecessary? Very few games  support Lİnux ( though it is improving). With a quality mouse, keyboard, and 65$ Windows, you are way over console price. 

No offense, but your mouse isn't the standard here. You can find mice for free, but I actually figured people wouldn't be that thrifty. What do you mean add a $5 gamepad? Are you saying replace the DS4 with some crappy gamepad? Can you even do that? I don't own a PS4, so I don't know, but I figured the system would be closed to their controllers, or dedicated third party manufacturers like madcatz, in which case they'd be cheaper than the DS4, but still at least $30, likely $40. Either way, you can't find a regular DS4 for $5, but you can find a mouse and keyboard for free, or for $5, and this isn't hard. It's remarkably easy.

As far as Linux support for games:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2824526/steam-for-linux-tops-700-games-as-big-name-games-increasingly-call-it-home.html

And that's just for steam alone. SteamOS is linux-based, so of course support for Linux has been expanding for the last year.

As far as I'm concerned, my comparison is more than fair.  Not to mention that I'm going a more eccentric route by avoiding AMD and insisting on Haswell with the G3258 which results in the build being more expensive. If I had gone AMD, I would have shaved off at least $50. So the notion that you can't beat a PS4 for $450 is just wrong. Sorry, but since the Maxwell graphics cards have come out, the AMD has slashed the prices of their entire line, meaning that you can get a cheap AMD CPU, and a cheap AMD GPU which tend to be the most expensive parts on a PC by a wide margin. If we up the price to $550, the performance gulf expands greatly as an r9 280x is in price-range then, and that will run laps around the consoles.

PS4 features a high quality controller. A 5$ mouse+keyboard combo will be crappy. I don't know how it is so hard to understand.  You can't just skimp on one of the most vital points in gaming and say this is cheaper. Of course you can find a mouse for free. You can even find a computer for free if you look at garbage bins long enough.

It is easy to play the numbers game. Do BF4 support Linux for example? Unity? The list can go on.

My point was specific to that point so you don't need to be sorry I didn't say anything about power. My upcoming PC in the pcpartpicker is about 10 Tflops. Just waiting to see 980 TI to see whether it is worth the premium over the 980. Going to do SLI with one of them.

sorry bud but don't get your hope up for the 980Ti as it's very unlikely, http://wccftech.com/tsmc-buys-14b-worth-equipment-16nm-volume-prediction-begins-q2q3-2015/



Current PC build:

Asus Z97I-Plus, i5 4790K @ 4.6ghz, EVGA GTX 980 ACX 2.0 1377/1853/124%, Corsair Vengence Pro 2400mhz 2x 8192mb, Corsair RM850, Corsair H80i, 120GB OCZ Vertex 3 SSD, 750GB Seagate Momentus XT SSHD, 320GB Weston Digital HDD, Corsair 230T, Corsair K50 Raptor, HP XQ500AA mouse, Windows 10 Pro 64bit. iiyama Pro Lite G2773HS 120Hz 1Ms G2G gaming monitor.

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ghost_of_fazz on 29 December 2014

So, is your mom single?



ofrm1 on 29 December 2014

rolltide101x said:

LOL I am a Linux user and I do not even buy that. Lets put the average gamer on Ubuntu and play Windows games using Wine with a garbage keyboard and mouse and a garbage keyboard XD 

Over 18% of all steam games now support linux. That number will rise even more dramatically because SteamOS is their priority at the moment.

michael_stutzer said:

It is easy to play the numbers game. Do BF4 support Linux for example? Unity? The list can go on.PS4 features a high quality controller. A 5$ mouse+keyboard combo will be crappy. I don't know how it is so hard to understand.  You can't just skimp on one of the most vital points in gaming and say this is cheaper. Of course you can find a mouse for free. You can even find a computer for free if you look at garbage bins long enough.

High quality is subjective. Trying to argue this won't get us anywhere because your preferences for quality are going to be different than mine which are going to be different for the next person. The fact remains that you can game with bargain bin stuff, but you can't game on the PS4 without a controller, and that is going to cost way more than $5.

Yeah, the list of AAA publishers is low, but by next year that won't be the case as additional steam machines are released. Also, this is irrelevant as I already stated that I could drop the cost of the build below $450 with a copy of windows. Although I don't personally like using AMD processors for gaming, they do result in sub-400 dollar builds which can edge out the next-gen consoles.

r3tr0gam3r1337 said:

 sorry bud but don't get your hope up for the 980Ti as it's very unlikely, http://wccftech.com/tsmc-buys-14b-worth-equipment-16nm-volume-prediction-begins-q2q3-2015/

 

 

So is the 380x expected to compete with the 980, or is it supposed to be better than it? Because if it's supposed to be a step above it, then it sounds like Nvidia is going to be in second place for awhile.



aLkaLiNE on 29 December 2014
errorpwns said:

Yet somehow my mom was able to open skyrim and just play it. No setting changes, no technical issues. No downloading of patches after buying a disc in a store. Just download it in minutes on steam and play it. She has no technical PC skills. Her PC was cheaper to build than a used PS3 too and runs it better than a PS3 could ever dream of running it. Required no extra talent to run.


B-but most people don't say that (@ the title)? There's an infinite amount of reasons why someone would choose to game on a console rather than a PC. Its preference. And great! How does her PC play Uncharted? See? Preference.

 



rolltide101x on 29 December 2014
ofrm1 said:

rolltide101x said:

LOL I am a Linux user and I do not even buy that. Lets put the average gamer on Ubuntu and play Windows games using Wine with a garbage keyboard and mouse and a garbage keyboard XD 

Over 18% of all steam games now support linux. That number will rise even more dramatically because SteamOS is their priority at the moment.

I use Ubuntu everyday on 3 different PCs, Linux gets nothing but indies. The only real AAA game I can think of on Linux is the Civilization series. But I can run most indie games on Wine in Ubuntu but that is not for the average user. Do not pretend Linux gets good game support because it does not. Hopefully SteamOS will catch on and change that



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TheBlackNaruto on 29 December 2014

Why are people still commenting in this thread when the Op has basically just vanished and has offered no support or argument about anything that he/she sated? And used the PS3(a freaking almost 10 year old gaming system at that) for something that he feels people have said? As it has been pointed out here in the states you can get a used PS3 for about $150 dollars and he is claiming his mom PC which would cost less than $150 to build can run and play it better.....why even argue with something like that?



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ofrm1 on 29 December 2014
rolltide101x said:
ofrm1 said:

rolltide101x said:

LOL I am a Linux user and I do not even buy that. Lets put the average gamer on Ubuntu and play Windows games using Wine with a garbage keyboard and mouse and a garbage keyboard XD 

Over 18% of all steam games now support linux. That number will rise even more dramatically because SteamOS is their priority at the moment.

I use Ubuntu everyday on 3 different PCs, Linux gets nothing but indies. The only real AAA game I can think of on Linux is the Civilization series. But I can run most indie games on Wine in Ubuntu but that is not for the average user. Do not pretend Linux gets good game support because it does not. Hopefully SteamOS will catch on and change that

Borderlands, The Witcher 2, Metro Redux, XCOM, any Valve games. My point is that the number is much better than it was just a year ago and will get even better as more steam machines are released.



kekrot on 29 December 2014

Cool story bro. Yep, I seriosly mean it. Great that betvesda made it easy :)



Yep.

r3tr0gam3r1337 on 30 December 2014
ofrm1 said:

rolltide101x said:

LOL I am a Linux user and I do not even buy that. Lets put the average gamer on Ubuntu and play Windows games using Wine with a garbage keyboard and mouse and a garbage keyboard XD 

Over 18% of all steam games now support linux. That number will rise even more dramatically because SteamOS is their priority at the moment.

michael_stutzer said:

It is easy to play the numbers game. Do BF4 support Linux for example? Unity? The list can go on.PS4 features a high quality controller. A 5$ mouse+keyboard combo will be crappy. I don't know how it is so hard to understand.  You can't just skimp on one of the most vital points in gaming and say this is cheaper. Of course you can find a mouse for free. You can even find a computer for free if you look at garbage bins long enough.

High quality is subjective. Trying to argue this won't get us anywhere because your preferences for quality are going to be different than mine which are going to be different for the next person. The fact remains that you can game with bargain bin stuff, but you can't game on the PS4 without a controller, and that is going to cost way more than $5.

Yeah, the list of AAA publishers is low, but by next year that won't be the case as additional steam machines are released. Also, this is irrelevant as I already stated that I could drop the cost of the build below $450 with a copy of windows. Although I don't personally like using AMD processors for gaming, they do result in sub-400 dollar builds which can edge out the next-gen consoles.

r3tr0gam3r1337 said:

 sorry bud but don't get your hope up for the 980Ti as it's very unlikely, http://wccftech.com/tsmc-buys-14b-worth-equipment-16nm-volume-prediction-begins-q2q3-2015/

 

 

So is the 380x expected to compete with the 980, or is it supposed to be better than it? Because if it's supposed to be a step above it, then it sounds like Nvidia is going to be in second place for awhile.

i wouldn't get your hopes up either, http://www.tweaktown.com/news/42269/amd-nvidias-next-gen-gpus-delayed-supply-constraints-blamed/index.html



Current PC build:

Asus Z97I-Plus, i5 4790K @ 4.6ghz, EVGA GTX 980 ACX 2.0 1377/1853/124%, Corsair Vengence Pro 2400mhz 2x 8192mb, Corsair RM850, Corsair H80i, 120GB OCZ Vertex 3 SSD, 750GB Seagate Momentus XT SSHD, 320GB Weston Digital HDD, Corsair 230T, Corsair K50 Raptor, HP XQ500AA mouse, Windows 10 Pro 64bit. iiyama Pro Lite G2773HS 120Hz 1Ms G2G gaming monitor.

r3tr0gam3r1337 on 30 December 2014

anyone interested in extreme overclocking should read this http://www.tweaktown.com/news/42152/asus-teases-external-vrm-device-extreme-gpu-overclocking/index.html



Current PC build:

Asus Z97I-Plus, i5 4790K @ 4.6ghz, EVGA GTX 980 ACX 2.0 1377/1853/124%, Corsair Vengence Pro 2400mhz 2x 8192mb, Corsair RM850, Corsair H80i, 120GB OCZ Vertex 3 SSD, 750GB Seagate Momentus XT SSHD, 320GB Weston Digital HDD, Corsair 230T, Corsair K50 Raptor, HP XQ500AA mouse, Windows 10 Pro 64bit. iiyama Pro Lite G2773HS 120Hz 1Ms G2G gaming monitor.