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the_dengle said:
outlawauron said:

PS2 was the only relevant console for the first MonHuns. DS couldn't handle a 3D monster hunter, so PSP was the only handheld option.

By the time the series was huge, the PS3 version of Monster Hunter 3 was mysteriously cancelled and then a Wii version was announced. Since then, every MH has been Nintendo exclusive, despite not matching the PSP entries. That's why people think Nintendo had a hand in it.

What is so mysterious about development shifting to a cheaper platform with a larger install base? How come when Sony has these advantages they are the "only relevant console," but when Nintendo has them, Capcom is expected to support Sony's platforms in spite of this?

It's pretty obvious Capcom has no interest in making Monster Hunter multiplatform, because you're wrong about the PS2 being the only relevant console at its time. The other relevant console was the PSP. And despite Monster Hunter G and Monster Hunter 2 being released with few changes on PSP, they were not multiplatform games. They were ported a year after their initial release. An even more direct port happened for both Portable 3rd and for 3 Ultimate. If Capcom was interested in Monster Hunter being multiplatform, why wouldn't the PS2/PSP entries have been developed (and released) together? Or the later PSP with PS3 or Wii entries? Or the 3DS with Wii U entries? Capcom has no interest in releasing Monster Hunter entries on multiple platforms simultaneously, other than Frontier it seems.

Frontier, which also disproves your "every MH being Nintendo exclusive" claim, along with Portable 3rd HD.

To compare the Wii in Japan to the PS2 in Japan is laughable at best. Their situations aren't close to being comparable. Doesn't help your case that third party games sold better on PS3 than they did on Wii. With so many games on the way on PS3 during development (including many notable Capcom titles like DMC and Resident Evil), there was no reason to believe the PS3 wouldn't pick up in sales.

The PSP wasn't relevant in 2004 when the first MH released (you know, before it launched). They couldn't have developed it multiplatform because it was finished months ahead of the PSP release. They ported the 2nd one because the first handheld game was such a surprising success. 

Frontier is a MMO and isn't treated as a mainline game. It's neither important or relevant. Frontier the bastard child of the series and it's like considering FF: All the Bravest or Shin Megami Tensei: IMAGINE as main entries in their respective franchises. Portable 3rd HD doesn't really dispute anything because it's not a new game. At least MH3U added new content from MHtri. 



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Interesting point. Didn't think about that yet. Sony currently has multiple deals with Capcom so it would be possible that at one point they dropped the M word at their negotiations.
I really hope they did because not recognizing how huge Monster Hunter is would be utterly stupid and ignorant of them.



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Sony itself doesn't care about bringing a MH to vita, so if they could sign a MH deal, it would definitely be on PS4



outlawauron said:
the_dengle said:
So many people who think Monster Hunter would be multiplat if not for that meddling Nintendo.

Capcom releases a new Monster Hunter every year, and it has never been multiplat. MH, MHG, and MH2 were not multiplat when they were on PS2. Portable, Portable 2nd, Portable 2nd G, Portable 3rd were not multiplat when they were on PSP. But Tri, 3G, 4, 4G come along and suddenly Capcom must be beholden to some deal they made to keep these exclusive.

Possible? Sure. But jumping to such conclusions is just blaming the boogeyman for things that have always been.

Anyway, @OT, I don't think Sony cares enough about the Vita to go to the trouble of doing that.

PS2 was the only relevant console for the first MonHuns. DS couldn't handle a 3D monster hunter, so PSP was the only handheld option.

By the time the series was huge, the PS3 version of Monster Hunter 3 was mysteriously cancelled and then a Wii version was announced. Since then, every MH has been Nintendo exclusive, despite not matching the PSP entries. That's why people think Nintendo had a hand in it.

I actually believe they had a hand when Capcom's excuse for no Monster Hunter 4 on Wii U was becasue each entry has to be exclusive... at an event promoting a multiplatform Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate...  that said, I stand by my earlier comments.



vivster said:
Interesting point. Didn't think about that yet. Sony currently has multiple deals with Capcom so it would be possible that at one point they dropped the M word at their negotiations.
I really hope they did because not recognizing how huge Monster Hunter is would be utterly stupid and ignorant of them.


MH on 3DS makes more sense especially if Capcom statement is true about fanbase!!!



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outlawauron said:

To compare the Wii in Japan to the PS2 in Japan is laughable at best. Their situations aren't close to being comparable. Doesn't help your case that third party games sold better on PS3 than they did on Wii. With so many games on the way on PS3 during development (including many notable Capcom titles like DMC and Resident Evil), there was no reason to believe the PS3 wouldn't pick up in sales.

The PSP wasn't relevant in 2004 when the first MH released (you know, before it launched). They couldn't have developed it multiplatform because it was finished months ahead of the PSP release. They ported the 2nd one because the first handheld game was such a surprising success. 

Frontier is a MMO and isn't treated as a mainline game. It's neither important or relevant. Frontier the bastard child of the series and it's like considering FF: All the Bravest or Shin Megami Tensei: IMAGINE as main entries in their respective franchises. Portable 3rd HD doesn't really dispute anything because it's not a new game. At least MH3U added new content from MHtri. 

What about to compare the 3DS in Japan to the PS2 in Japan?

Your comments about the PSP are noted but they do not answer my question. Frontier and Portable 3rd HD being exempted from the exclusivity agreement only make the case for one less believeable.

So, exactly when was this contract between Nintendo and Capcom signed, and what were its parameters? The agreement must have been made when MH Tri began development for Wii, and one of its parameters must have been the cessation of development for all Monster Hunter titles on non-Nintendo platforms that are not Frontier, Frontier expansions/sequels, or ports of previously released entries. But, Portable 3rd was released on PSP after Tri. Very well, then the cessation of development clause must have applied only to home console entries. But that would not have prevented Capcom from developing future entries for the PSP or Vita. So the agreement must have stipulated that Capcom was allowed to release one more entry for the PSP after the release of Tri, and none after that. And that this game was eligible as a port to a non-Nintendo console even though it was not a "previously" released entry. Oh, and Freedom Unite may be released in the West.

Also, assuming this deal was made in 2008 (after Freedom Unite was released in Japan, because if the deal was made before then it would have added another complication to the contract), then it was set to last at least six years. That is a looooooong time in the video game industry. The simplest explanation is often the right one. The Wii and 3DS were less expensive to develop for and had larger install bases than their competitors. Nintendo is an extremely cooperative partner for Capcom, publishing the series in PAL regions, allowing the use of many of their IP in recent entries, and letting Capcom do whatever it is Sony wouldn't let them do with the online stuff.



tbone51 said:
vivster said:
Interesting point. Didn't think about that yet. Sony currently has multiple deals with Capcom so it would be possible that at one point they dropped the M word at their negotiations.
I really hope they did because not recognizing how huge Monster Hunter is would be utterly stupid and ignorant of them.


MH on 3DS makes more sense especially if Capcom statement is true about fanbase!!!

Because Capcom are the masters of using sense.

Why can't you let us dream? Also I'm not talking about a MH on Vita. I'm thinking of a proper game.



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vivster said:

Because Capcom are the masters of using sense.

Why can't you let us dream? Also I'm not talking about a MH on Vita. I'm thinking of a proper game.

Are you hoping for a Monster Hunter on PS4? Gotta say, I think that's less likely than a Vita installment. I suppose I could see a Vita entry followed by a PS4 port.

I've thought for a long time that a Vita iteration is practically inevitable. It will happen eventually, perhaps during Nintendo's transition from the 3DS to its successor. I just think Capcom has decided not to make a Vita MH up to this point for their own reasons, and not because they are prevented from doing so by an obligation to Nintendo.



I wish it was, but I could always borrow Xander's 3DS to play! Also, which do you guys think is better, Monster Hunter Portable 3rd HD, or Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate Wii U?



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I don't think Monster Hunter vita will happen, but I do think that Monster Hunter 4 HD exlusive to PS4 releasing in the fall of 2015 could happen. Then Monster Hunter 5 on smartphones in 2016.