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The reason is not the internet gaming community, but the massive overhyping of their games by their respective publishers. Of course if the games can't meet the hype (in most cases they had been so overhyped that they can't even come close to this), it is absolutly normal that people will shit about them, even though they are shitting on the wrong target (the devs instead of their publishers)



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I'm with you, OP. I've mentioned this before. I'm absolutely disgusted by some people's comments. With a very few exceptions, I don't think any game is "crap" or "shit". There are so many better ways to describe your experience with a game.

I've played games like Proteus that I didn't enjoy at all. I don't get their point and I consider them not my cup of tea. I've played games with forgettable story, with mediocre gameplay (e.g. that 300 game on psp), but I wouldn't call them crap.

A game like Ryse has incredible graphics, from what I've heard a good story, an interesting setting, and good voice acting. Even if you don't like the gameplay, it doesn't mean the game is crap. It means that's not the kind of gameplay that you enjoy in a videogame. You have every right not to like it, but I believe a mature, level-headed person will say "not interested. I don't find QTE's fun". A less mature will say "gameplay is shiit".

As mentioned in another thread about a year ago, I've noticed that the internet is full of people who have incredible hate inside of them. They hate Sony for being Sony. They haye MS for being MS and Ninty for not doing what they want with their IP's. Forums are plagued with people who either troll these companies or stealth troll them. "Oh, Drive Club developers still haven't fixed the problems? That's too bad and surprising... How did Sony let that happen?" There are members who have over 10000 posts and have yet to say one negative thing about their favourite company and a single positive thing about that company's main competitor.

The way I see it, it's like bullies who are abused at home and then bully their classmates. Now weak people who have very sad lives and hate everyone who have better lives (girlfriends, better jobs, better friends, live in better neighbourhoods, etc) and they let out all their frustrations online (I know it's a generalization; I'm giving an example). Why? Because there are no repercussions.

The same thing that happens with video games happens with celebrities who gets insane hated from people for not acting like some people want them to or because they have better lives than them. I once read someone twitting about Britney Spears and saying "I don't care about Britney. Let me know when her sons have cancer or something". How fucked up is that? People also literally threaten the lives of celebrities publicly and get away with it.

And terrible parenting doesn't help either. Teenagers and people in their 20's expect perfection and their every demand to be met. Look at the Jimmy kimmel videos of children/teens acting all entitled when their parents eat their candy. I never even considered speaking to my parents like that.

And just because developers get paid well, doesn't mean they deserve the abuse. It's like being a lecturer and getting paid well and because of that your students can call your an ugly piece of garbage. Doesn't (or shouldn't) work like that as far as I'm concerned.

Lastly, when you are a part of a project, there is only so much you can do. Imagine having a group presentation with some classmates, you work your ass off and do well and one person brings the team down and then the teacher shits on the entire team and you get a terrible score. The person who makes the artwork in Assassins' Creed X is not at fault for the glitches of the game. Same for the voice actors. But what do they hear about the game they helped make? "Assassin's Creed x was shit".



No, publishers that set unrealistic publication dates are hurting devs.



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naruball said:
I'm with you, OP. I've mentioned this before. I'm absolutely disgusted by some people's comments. With a very few exceptions, I don't think any game is "crap" or "shit". There are so many better ways to describe your experience with a game.

I've played games like Proteus that I didn't enjoy at all. I don't get their point and I consider them not my cup of tea. I've played games with forgettable story, with mediocre gameplay (e.g. that 300 game on psp), but I wouldn't call them crap.

A game like Ryse has incredible graphics, from what I've heard a good story, an interesting setting, and good voice acting. Even if you don't like the gameplay, it doesn't mean the game is crap. It means that's not the kind of gameplay that you enjoy in a videogame. You have every right not to like it, but I believe a mature, level-headed person will say "not interested. I don't find QTE's fun". A less mature will say "gameplay is shiit".

As mentioned in another thread about a year ago, I've noticed that the internet is full of people who have incredible hate inside of them. They hate Sony for being Sony. They haye MS for being MS and Ninty for not doing what they want with their IP's. Forums are plagued with people who either troll these companies or stealth troll them. "Oh, Drive Club developers still haven't fixed the problems? That's too bad and surprising... How did Sony let that happen?" There are members who have over 10000 posts and have yet to say one negative thing about their favourite company and a single positive thing about that company's main competitor.

The way I see it, it's like bullies who are abused at home and then bully their classmates. Now weak people who have very sad lives and hate everyone who have better lives (girlfriends, better jobs, better friends, live in better neighbourhoods, etc) and they let out all their frustrations online (I know it's a generalization; I'm giving an example). Why? Because there are no repercussions.

The same thing that happens with video games happens with celebrities who gets insane hated from people for not acting like some people want them to or because they have better lives than them. I once read someone twitting about Britney Spears and saying "I don't care about Britney. Let me know when her sons have cancer or something". How fucked up is that? People also literally threaten the lives of celebrities publicly and get away with it.

And terrible parenting doesn't help either. Teenagers and people in their 20's expect perfection and their every demand to be met. Look at the Jimmy kimmel videos of children/teens acting all entitled when their parents eat their candy. I never even considered speaking to my parents like that.

And just because developers get paid well, doesn't mean they deserve the abuse. It's like being a lecturer and getting paid well and because of that your students can call your an ugly piece of garbage. Doesn't (or shouldn't) work like that as far as I'm concerned.

Lastly, when you are a part of a project, there is only so much you can do. Imagine having a group presentation with some classmates, you work your ass off and do well and one person brings the team down and then the teacher shits on the entire team and you get a terrible score. The person who makes the artwork in Assassins' Creed X is not at fault for the glitches of the game. Same for the voice actors. But what do they hear about the game they helped make? "Assassin's Creed x was shit".

This. I don't think people realize just how involving and political software development is. Top management rarely listens to developers either. This is based on what I experience at work.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

naruball said:


And terrible parenting doesn't help either. Teenagers and people in their 20's expect perfection and their every demand to be met. Look at the Jimmy kimmel videos of children/teens acting all entitled when their parents eat their candy. I never even considered speaking to my parents like that.

And just because developers get paid well, doesn't mean they deserve the abuse. It's like being a lecturer and getting paid well and because of that your students can call your an ugly piece of garbage. Doesn't (or shouldn't) work like that as far as I'm concerned.

Lastly, when you are a part of a project, there is only so much you can do. Imagine having a group presentation with some classmates, you work your ass off and do well and one person brings the team down and then the teacher shits on the entire team and you get a terrible score. The person who makes the artwork in Assassins' Creed X is not at fault for the glitches of the game. Same for the voice actors. But what do they hear about the game they helped make? "Assassin's Creed x was shit".

im not a catholic, so yes, i freaking expect you to work perfectly. if you cant deliver, change the job. thats called workethic...



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generic-user-1 said:
naruball said:


And terrible parenting doesn't help either. Teenagers and people in their 20's expect perfection and their every demand to be met. Look at the Jimmy kimmel videos of children/teens acting all entitled when their parents eat their candy. I never even considered speaking to my parents like that.

And just because developers get paid well, doesn't mean they deserve the abuse. It's like being a lecturer and getting paid well and because of that your students can call your an ugly piece of garbage. Doesn't (or shouldn't) work like that as far as I'm concerned.

Lastly, when you are a part of a project, there is only so much you can do. Imagine having a group presentation with some classmates, you work your ass off and do well and one person brings the team down and then the teacher shits on the entire team and you get a terrible score. The person who makes the artwork in Assassins' Creed X is not at fault for the glitches of the game. Same for the voice actors. But what do they hear about the game they helped make? "Assassin's Creed x was shit".

im not a catholic, so yes, i freaking expect you to work perfectly. if you cant deliver, change the job. thats called workethic...

Well, good for you, generic user. But let me ask you something. Do you work perfectly? You do realize what the work "perfect" means, right? When you were in school or uni, did you only get perfect scores? At work, have you never made a mistake? Do you think making a mistake justifies being verbally abused by customers or your boss? I seriously doubt that. And please let's not pretend that changing your job is that easy for everyone. That's not called called work ethic, but unrealistic expectations. And like I said, you may deliver, but you are only a part of the team. Someone else may not deliver and then the project gets criticised as a whole.



Lots of people work hard. People work hard on TV shows, movies and they get negative reviews too.
And although devs work really long hours to make games, they are paid quite well.



    

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It's much more damaging for the industry that big production value is crowding out good game concepts.

Think of it this way: For as long as there have been people showing their work to the world there have been other people hating on it. Is internet hate killing the moral of musicians, athletes, politicians, movie stars, writers, bloggers, dancers, celebrities etc.?

As soon as you create something that has wide appeal, you are going to get a bunch of people who will shit all over it. Persons who take that personally should definitely not put their work out to the public.

On an unrelated note, OP, have you ever spoken harshly online about the quality of Justin Beiber's work, the merit of Kim Kardashian's lifestyle business or other similar public figures?



naruball said:
generic-user-1 said:
naruball said:


And terrible parenting doesn't help either. Teenagers and people in their 20's expect perfection and their every demand to be met. Look at the Jimmy kimmel videos of children/teens acting all entitled when their parents eat their candy. I never even considered speaking to my parents like that.

And just because developers get paid well, doesn't mean they deserve the abuse. It's like being a lecturer and getting paid well and because of that your students can call your an ugly piece of garbage. Doesn't (or shouldn't) work like that as far as I'm concerned.

Lastly, when you are a part of a project, there is only so much you can do. Imagine having a group presentation with some classmates, you work your ass off and do well and one person brings the team down and then the teacher shits on the entire team and you get a terrible score. The person who makes the artwork in Assassins' Creed X is not at fault for the glitches of the game. Same for the voice actors. But what do they hear about the game they helped make? "Assassin's Creed x was shit".

im not a catholic, so yes, i freaking expect you to work perfectly. if you cant deliver, change the job. thats called workethic...

Well, good for you, generic user. But let me ask you something. Do you work perfectly? You do realize what the work "perfect" means, right? When you were in school or uni, did you only get perfect scores? At work, have you never made a mistake? Do you think making a mistake justifies being verbally abused by customers or your boss? I seriously doubt that. And please let's not pretend that changing your job is that easy for everyone. That's not called called work ethic, but unrealistic expectations. And like I said, you may deliver, but you are only a part of the team. Someone else may not deliver and then the project gets criticised as a whole.

i atleast try to work perfectly.  sure i made mistakes, but when i make a mistake, i work till its undone.   and i dont care who "abuses" me if i make a mistake, im the one that is criticising myself the hardest if i fuck something up.  

 

its not one that doesnt deliver at the most big flopgames. WD is just bad,poorly written, poorly programmed, poorly tested, the visuals are uninspired and the score is just a joke, every monkey with a tape recorder could do better.

maybe some codemonkeys did a good job, but i think they know why everybody is bashing the game, and if they feel bad about beeing bashed for others fails,they should stop working for the developer.



Well, the way I look at it is that there is a developer issue, a publisher issue and a consumer issue... And obviously this only applies to some developers/publishers, not all.

First, the Developer: Most of the big developers out there has had experience in the industry for several years and by now, they should have learnt to manage their time well. Usually what happens with a lot of games these days is that the developers set over "ambitious" expectations in a very short amount of time given by the publisher so they should learn to quit putting their ambitions over consumer satisfaction and set it accordingly.

Next, the Publisher: The issue with the publishers is that they set a ridiculously short amount of time for the developers to be able to finish the game without issues or being able to achieve their ambitions. Asscreed has been specially true of this with their 6 months to a year release cycle and as well as many other games. On top of that, the publishers set the expectations of the consumer to a freakishly high level even though they potentially know that it will not be even close to what they are claiming it to be. Their budget also sometimes play a roll as well and they also launch a broken game which I presume the developers told them it wasn't finished yet

Finally, the Consumer: I do think that the Consumer has every right to complain if they are unsatisfied with their purchase provided they set a realistic expectations based on the given information by the developer/publisher. Its usually the developers and publishers that always set unrealistic expectations by publishers showing BS trailers and developers hyping the game via things such as interviews. If you ordered a pizza and half of it was raw, would you not complain? Of course you would! Why should this be any different? Sure, they can fix the game with patches and you can go back to the pizza place and tell them to make you a new one but guess what, at the end of the day, your apatite is ruined cause it should have been great to begin with... If I paid for your product, I expect the quality I was promised within a reasonable expectation, not a mediocre or broken game... But with that being said, some do go overboard with their comments which I don't always approve of but if most people are unhappy, then its the developer/publishers fault imo



                  

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