Journey, Unfinished Swan, Wild, Rime, The Witness, No Man's Sky aren't worth counting because they're Indies? Limbo was a great game for the 360 and I was really glad when it finally came to the PS3.

Let's make this easy for people grouping. 

Below is a Chevy corvette, it does the same exact thing as a cheaper and less expensive car but in a different fashion but with more bells and whistle's.

Here is a Chevy Cruze.  This is on a completely different level as the corvette. Yes it has a turbo, still can not touch the Corvette and is in a different sub-group then the Corvette.

Now you can group these cars as the same exact thing, they drive, take you where you need to go, they both have many of the same things. However I say there is more of a difference between Indies to main stream games.

Nope, those are a different sub-group and should be seperated in a group of games, they are not in the same caliber as the other. Like my 2014 Chevy Impala, it's great, I love it, however it's not the same as a Corvette.

Very thorough list. But if last gen taught me anything it's that having more games didn't necessarily mean a "better" library. 360 had way more games then PS3 and higher meta scores in the 70's to 90s but it didn't mean much to core gamers who believed PS3 offered better big name games.

Just saying these kinds of lists lack context. They bury the gems with the "meh". I realize this now.

theres no release date yeat for quantum break or fable game so its possible. In any case , its okay if on emoth xbox one has no  AAA games. It will be good that ps4 is getting those two games on that month as i hav ebeen waiting for a trile AAA from sony since the TLOU remastered edition , which is a long  time ago whereas  i had the time to play all the ones that have relleased for the Xbox one atm. 

I wasn't implying you were, but it's a common theme among many members of the Xbox community here (and the reverse for the PS community).

I do think indies should also be counted, they're still games after all, but a distinction should be made simply for the sake of clarity. For example putting 193 ([x] AAA, [x] indies) vs. 131 ([x] AAA, [x] indies). Indies on their own can leave a library feeling lacking, but as a supplement they're great. 

It would make no sense to exclude them completely in an objective comparison. Titles like Resogun, Velocity 2X and Transistor are why i (currently) think the PS4's library is quite a bit more appealing than the X1's, despite also thinking they're functionally identical AAA wise. Indies have value, even if they aren't directly comparable to standard retail games.

it means once you go black, you never go back.

It really shows that both consoles are of to a great start :).

Of course it goes both ways with some. For example, in that thread from July of 2013 or something someone just linked, you posted in there that PC/360 games are irrelevant because most people have PC's. Does that also make a majority of these PS4 games irrelevant in list warz? Apparently so, unless you've changed your mind. The double standard is only relevant because it seems a majority of users here are Sony fans (or, at worst, they vastly outnumber Xbox guys) so it doesn't really matter what Xbox guys say, their posts are outnumbered. So last gen the general consensus here was indie games and "console exclusives" were irrelevant. Now this gen the general consensus has changed, because there are more Sony users here than MS, and now Sony has a lot of those games that were irrelevant in the past.

For the most part I think those of us praising indies last gen on Xbox are still fans of indies. You're way off base there. But our input does not speak for the forum, we are a minority.

Yes it's a completly different caliber of games, just like college and pro-footbal.