Anyone that cares more about securing one of the bundles rather than saving a few dollars. regardless the bundles are excellent value and black friday is only going to improve them marginally if at all.

Plenty of people probably have been sitting on their PS3/360 for ages, so if they were waiting for a legit price drop (not just a bundle reposition like MS dropping Kinect) this is probably what a lot of people were waiting for.

Why line up with a bazillion unshowered people on Black Friday for 3 hours in the cold when MS is effectively giving you a Black Friday style deal right now?

I'd like for these sales to carry on and after some great games I think they will. Just hopes the momentum continues into the new year, for both consoles.

I guess this thread proves how people can't stand to have their favorite brand either winning or losing. How people could argue the math is the most amazing part of this thread. I can only hope those that believe that these ratios don't atleast equal 2 to 1 in XB1's favor (at the moment), seek help from their local math educator and maybe this thread would only be half a dozen comments discussing how well the moves that M$ made worked(regardless if they don't last long) instead of denying basic math...

Only five week months are March, June, September and December. (January is sometimes also, because if not then the total won't match the total weeks in a year).

Actually, seems the Sunset bundle (at least) will be setting them behind by 150$ a pop as they are giving away Ryse as well. 

They're really piling on the incentives...

Why $150 a pop? Ryse and Sunset are both published by MS, its a digital copy and its not with every sunset bundle. Just certain ones.

The cost of bundling a game is only a tiny fraction of the retail cost, especially as they are the publisher as they don't need to provide additional proft margins to the retailer or even their own licensing and profit margin on the game. At most you could argue they have an opportunity cost by bundling them of not making as much profit from the game directly.

Its a lost software sale, you can knock it down to 30$ if you want. Same way Seece was calculating in Sunset (-30$) as its also effectively being given away for free. So put it at 30$, thats 130$.

I'm just observing the details and seeing how close we're going to get to the PS3 moneypit. M$ can easily handle it and I don't see it ever reaching those past levels of desperation.

And to think there were people who said 3rd party games won't move Xbox Ones.