Nintendo makes new IPs. But Nintendo fans think the big 3 (Mario, Zelda, and Metroid) are the be all/end all of gaming and pay 0 attention to anything else. How often around here do you see Nintendo fans says things like "Nintendo has the best first party games so they don't need anything else".

Yes, those are all "somewhat successful" franchises. 

That's what I'm saying. I think it's Nintendo's fans that make it what it is. They clamored to Mario Kart U and bought up WiiUs. After that the console just disappeared from the sales charts. Until the next big Nintendo first party thing comes around. Or maybe Beyonetta 2 can prove me wrong. 

If Nintendo puts for a good advertisement campign with Splatoon it won't flop.

Thats a bit unfair considering Wii and DS have sold 250m combined compared to 50m combined this gen. It would be interesting to see the tie in ratios, i dont know the numbers but take NSMBU for example, that has sold about 4.5m on a 7.4 million install base. That is an insane tie in ratio.

They do have enough new IP the problem is the ones they create are either    low budget/ have no marketing so noone knows about them/ are prototype stuff.

  They also do way to much minigame shit.  I want more metroid zelda mario style games. Games with exploration.  I dont want  "do arbitrary thing just because its part ofthe gameplay" I want to feel like I am someone that is living the life of a person from a fantasy or scifi word. I want to feel like a hero etc. Not just   "shot robots while watching 12 camera streams" (like the new WiiU game)

And when they do games like that they ended up on DS isntead of Wii (Magical Starsign etc) and nobody knows they are Nintendo games.

I personally don't think that. It is a factor in this big ball of mess. But honestly, people rather just keep playing the same thing over and over again. People whine to make something new. But more than nothing, they sell bad than work. Major other problems with Nintendo is they pissed off the userbase. Nintendo does things their way. People do like it. There are things that Nintendo only can do. Since they think like that. However, people more and more stop caring. 

There are some basic and fundimental things in gaming. Over the last generation that has become expected in a game console. Nintendo more often fails to do these things in a normal manor. Or at all. Also, Nintendo gambled on a idea and it has failed. The gamepad ultimatly, while it has its love. Isn't showing the majority why it's useful. I'm a huge Nintendo fan. I love all their games. But in recent times. Not their OS, UI, and hardware choices. And not because the system is underpowered. I didn't care about that with Wii.

Before Wii and Wii U. I'd never thought not to buy a Nintendo console. But I was really close in not bothering with buying a Wii U. I've gotten tired of it's shitty online. The really rediculess things the OS does. The friends list has no real-time indicator. Why does the Wii menu have to exsist on the Wii U. Why doesn't the disc loader just load the disc. All the VC games not function on the main menu. Without the upgrade. My POV it's a step down. People have argued because of this and this tech limitation, it's not possible. Too bad. It's not an improvement. When I have to deal dumb stuff like aim my Wii remote, to boot into Wii mode. When my TV is off and I'm ready on the Gamepad. Other "improvments" like TVii is a joke. It takes nearly a minute for it to load the program guide. I can turn on my TV and DVR box faster. So more than nothing. You aren't going to use it. The TV remote function. While useful when you don't have your remote near you. Doesn't help. I can't tell it to power on my TV and DVR with different power buttons. And do a few other important functions. So I go back to using the actual remotes. Not executed right.

Those type of WTF where they thinking things the system does. And the Gamepad sadly made the console worse. I liked the Wii Remote. I bought games on the Wii over other systems just for it. But the Pad isn't an improvement. For the simple fact it forces things that are more annoying than better. Here's an example I deal with. In Pikmin 3, my room is very small. I don't have coffee tables or other stuff  near my TV. My bed is 4 feet from my TV. I have to leave the Pad behind me and not use. Except for the forced map. I don't like looking down at the pad. Nor can I put it anywhere to keep it near the TV. But than, if I need to put the pad near my TV, to use the pad. Why isn't the map on the screen. This makes the gamepad features moot.

I end up just playing the game only on the gamepad. Because the map HAS to go on the screen when you're in that mode. But then I stopped playing the game all thogether. I want to play with the Wii Remote. Due to this hate relasionship. Because other things the pad does. Like boot up with the console. Some games refuse to start, unless the pad is on for a few seconds during loading (Bayonetta 2). And the map not being able to be permanilty set to the TV in MK8. Has made me hate it all the time. I modded the damn thing to have a power switch for god sakes. I don't mod current consoles till they go obsolete. Not to mention. I have 3 controllers (ignoring the nunchuck) out for one game console. This is getting out of hand.

This is were the hatred of the console built up with people. Between having this confusing start. Where people thought it was a addon. The specs being lower. The gamepad being hated. Nintendo not improving their OS design. Why are accounts still tied to hwardware. Why can I still NOT voice chat with ease. And the worst of all: the 3rd parties just giving a big fuck off to them. They convinced a lot of fans to just give up and walk away. On top of that. Thanks to other factors like Smart Phones and the fad problem. They lost all the other people that got them to 100 million units.

Combining all these things. 3rd parties gone, main userbase people pissed off, general public going to other things, the gamepad not bottling lightning again, and no new IP's, because they so far don't work out right. Which is Nintendo's own fault. They admited HD has thrown them off in development times. No excusses. Not even "cause Wii wasn't HD". It's called doing R&D and tests during the Wii U design phase on building times. Is why Nintendo is in this boat. Shows like CSI did season 1 in HD, in 2000. Tested to see how much more work was involved in it. Ofcourse Mario Kart isn't gonna sell 20 million. The userbase isn't even at 10 mill right now. It can't do that unless it was at a 70 million userbase. No game can recapture those past numbers.

Everyone is gonna be like "I know where you're going with this arguement. You want Nintendo to do what the other two do. You're wrong. They will fail that way too." So far Nintendo doesn't have a wining stratagy they could do. As of right now. They are stuck and can't decide were to go. They put themsevles into this corner. Getting themselves out will be VERY hard. New games won't really help. If people don't buy them. You can whine bitch moan "MORE NEW GAMES!". If they don't sell, they can't do them.

Sony getting out of the PS3 mess is a different story. Their hump was "$599 US dollars". The cell being satan to comapnies is gonna be dealt with. If other factors are a no big deal. And when money keeps on flowing. Japan isn't gonna buy a Xbox. So all those companies had no choice but to use PS3 anway. Nintendo has a santa clause list of things. And a image of being kiddy for several decades. That doesn't go away over night.

Nintendo is a flop.

Actually the poster used the word "founded" in some cases correctly:

Founded= establish or originate; construct

So Nintendo "founded" a new IP, like Splatoon, but not Bayonetta. 

I can't disagree more. Jizz has nailed it on the head with every post. People didn't buy the Wii because of interesting software. They bought it because it was a fad. The casual argument is not weak. It's straight up true. The Wii was just a perfect storm of great marketing, lucky timing, and appeal to everyone. I'm a diehard Nintendo fan, but I'll be the first to say that the Wii was a fluke. I think what you're trying to say is that if Nintendo tried to reappeal to the casual market then they would become very successful. And I think you're wrong. Nothing like the Wii will ever happen again. The people that bought the Wii now have other forms of casual entertainment. It almost sounds like you want Nintendo to make another Wii...I'd much prefer them to just continue making the great games that they are.