It will have a worse CPU than Vita (CPU of Vita has 4 cores at 1GHZ ) with a slightly better GPU with maybe a 480p resolution maximum.

It does have a bunch of such franchises - Uncharted, Assassin's Creed, Killzone, FIFA, Call of Duty, Final Fantasy and others. Launch price (cause Vita has been cheaper than 199 for a long time now) is the only thing out of that massive list that isn't true and yet you ask "how so"? You basically described Vita and Vita's PSN/PS+ service with what you've written. Strong indies? PSN Store highly developed and with constant sales. Supports hundreds of PSX and PSP games. Subscription based service - PS+ is awesome on Vita. Games on Vita are much cheaper than on 3DS, there are many games for less than $40. Sony did with Vita everything you've said here. Nintendo's future is already here from Sony?

look at those games u listed, they are all massive sellers on consoles but have never been huge on handhelds. AC/COD/FIFA have never sold over 2 million on a handheld and outside of Crisis Core, Final Fantasy is the same way.

im talking about the real big hitting handheld series like Pokemon/Mario Kart/2D Mario/3D Mario/Animal Crossing which typically sell over 10 million.

PS+ is a great service but thats not really what im talking about. PS+ gives a few games per month and a bunch of discounts, im talking about $50/year gives u unlimited access to the entire virtual console, hundreds of games for a low yearly fee.

Vita didnt officially drop to $199 until 1.5 years after launch and without big hitting handheld titles its fate was already sealed by that time in the west.

ill give u indies tho, Sony has done a great job at getting strong indie support for Vita. i want Nintendo to have even better indie support than that for its next handheld.

You are really moving the goalposts with the games argument. Still, what I said stands true - what you described is exactly what Vita is. It just doesn't have Nintendo franchises (and was mistreated during its first year). Official price drop doesn't matter, the real price does and it was lowered much earlier. Either way, gaming on Vita was and is much cheaper than gaming on a 3DS.

If you believe Nintendo will give you all VC games for one fee, you are delusional. Forget about it. Out of the 3 companies on the market, Nintendo would be the last one to ever do that. Look at the high prices they still charge for their old games. That's not happening. Mark my words - you won't get a similarly awesome service as PS+ is from Nintendo is the next 5-6 years at least. Even MS still hasn't managed to catch up to PS+! And Nintendo is still generations behind in terms of online service. How can you think about a subscription service, when they don't even have an account system!? Nintendo is in stone age, it will take long, long years and cost them a lot of cash (which they don't really have at this point) for them to catch up to where Sony is now.

how is that changing goalposts? obviously i was talking about games that sell huge on handhelds since this thread and our discussion ia about handhelds, how well those games sell on home consoles is completely irrelevent. FIFA/COD/AC are 10+ million sellers on consoles, on handhelds they are 1-2 million sellers.

official price does matter, temporary or select retailer discounts arent nearly as noticable to the average consumer. thats kinda irrelevent anyway because i said a handheld needs both a $199 or under price AND the big hitting mulitmillion selling franchises.

ya ur probably right, Nintendo will not offer that type of service i described, all im saying is if they did it could be a big deal and make Nintendo alot of money since i doubt the average 3DS owner spends over $50/year on the virtual console.

in a way i guess ur right, if u combined all the strengths of Vita/3DS and got rid of all their weaknesses then thats pretty much the device im describing.

low entry price at launch+big hitting multimilion selling franchises+excellent indie support+tons of $19.99 retail games+high value subscription service=dedicated handhelds continuing to have a viable market despite onsloaught of phones/tablets

the handheld market may continue to shrink but i strongly believe if Nintendo doesnt completely fuck up, their next handheld device will still sell 50+ million.

You set the goalposts in a way that makes Nintendo the only company in the world that can possibly make the cut. That is totally pointless and meaningless. Vita has exclusive games from massive franchises that appeal to millions of people - this really isn't worth debating. It just doesn't have enough of them, cause stupid Yoshida decided to keep supporting the inevitably dying and soon to be replaced PS3 instead of helping to push the Vita in its first year to make the new product successful on the market. He should be fired for it, but instead he's only getting praise for the PS4 success. Absurd.

So I see you finally agree that what you described as the desired next console from Nintendo is basically a Vita Only from Nintendo. To tell the truth I've always believed that Nintendo software on Sony hardware would be the ultimate combo. Just imagine Vita getting all the 3DS games, improved to take advantage of the extra potential. Would be so epic.

I doubt people spend $50 for VC games as well, but then again I don't know if VC games alone would be enough to convince people to pay this much. Depends just on how many consoles would be covered by VC. NES, SNES, N64, GCN, GBA, DS, 3DS? If Nintendo gave us all that to play on the go for $50, I'd buy the console day 1 and gladly pay, but if the 3DS games are excluded, I'd have to think for a longer while if it's really worth it and I guess it probably isn't.

The market is shrinking, but on the "positive" side, it seems Nintendo has it all for itself, as there won't be any more handhelds from Sony from now on.

To be fair, those don't have as much system selling power as Pokemon, Monster Hunter, Mario, etc.