Wasnt involved in the decision but the bloodtears post is not something id moderate for in this context.

The other two I agree are digs taken at the OP, however Carl does make reference to this when he locked the thread:

"For what its worth, the people who bit at the OP will not be moderated. Consider this a chance."

Under normal circumstances those posts from Abbath and Alternine would be moderated. So i dont see any issue with the reports, you were not wrong to report. I dont think anyone is saying you were wrong to report.

That being said i think Carl handled the situation well, locked the thread, banned a user who was clearly baiting, and made the call to not ban those who took the bait. As carl said "A lot of posts in the thread we're borderline and not major."

As for this "How does OP lead to these kinds of post, I'm missing a link in the chain of reasoning."

I will repost the ban note here, which i thought does a good enough job at explaining the reasoning behind the decision. If you disagree thats another thing, but i think Carl's viewpoint is well explained and backed up. Thats not to say you are wrong, perhaps RubberWhistle genuinely wanted to discuss the topic again, however all evidence suggests otherwise.

"Trolling (You have a long history of trolling Sony, Sony fans, PlayStation... You get where I'm going here. This is one more step on the ladder it seems. The fact that you even expected to get banned for it speaks volumes. However along with the obvious problems you knew this thread would cause, you outright lie about knowing about similar threads already created - http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7333464 - With a quick look at your recent posts, I can see several posts of yours in similar threads. This thread was created to stir trouble. You succeeded.) - M, Carl"

My reply was meant to be a "general reply". I saw multiple posts discussing stealth trolling so i gave my view on it.

I didnt reply to the specific example padib posted because i have no clue which moderator dealt with those reports or what the reasoning was behind any of the decisions taken. Me posting my personal view on a situation that was already dealt with, just creates confusion and sends a mixed message. My availability has also been bad this past week, so i didnt have time to bring this up in mod chat.

I watched the video posted in the thread, and personally i would not have moderated for the content of the video alone. The thread was also named after the video. I also disagree that the video was simply a "Nintendo fans are pretty bad" video. It was 30 minutes long discussed mulitple points and was focused around the project cars situation. Which was quite a big discussion point on here a few days back if i remember correctly.

What I would have looked at more closely was the thread creator, his history, conduct in the thread as well as the OP (which was pretty poor to say the least) and made a decision based on that. I definitely would have asked the thread creator to expand on his view in the OP to guide the discussion down a more constructive path. That being said the topic is centered around fans, so the resultant discussion might not have been avoidable.

Also Padib, just a reminder about the rules of this thread (this goes for me as well! :P):

• In the same way, if you have an issue with a moderation issued to another user, the best, most efficient way to get a complete answer is to ask the moderator who issued said ban. Again, it is highly recommended that you PM the moderator in question for the quickest answer.
  
• This is not the place to ask for moderation on another user. Report said user's potentially moderatable post/thread and let the Mod team handle it from there on out.
• This is not the place to ask why your report did not result in a moderation for a user. Be respectful of the process and trust that every report is carefully examined before it is either dismissed or acted upon.

Perhaps it would be better if this discussion gets taken to PM. There is a reason why we have these rules in place, and i dont want to go against that or set the wrong precedant. We actually give a lot of leeway with this, but considering that we are dicussing particular users at this point I think it would be best to do this in private. To be fair to those users we are discussing, as well as to other members of the community who actually do follow these rules.

I just wanted to tell Shinobi-san that I am impressed with what he has been doing around here and that I first hand know how difficult a job moderating can be.

Also, I would like to tell Carl that he is doing a horrible job as usual.

Thanks amp316 means a lot :)

I wonder why I never had any problems with the mod team during my 8 years here; they sound horrible if this thread is anything to go by!

If Padib reported the thread and the thread was not locked or moderated, then it means that a moderator or group of moderators purposefully made the decision to leave it open. So i dont think the issue is with availability here its actually with the decision taken by the mods.

In my above post I gave my opinion on the thread and how i would have most likely dealt with it. Given that the thread is targetted at one particular fanbase id ask the author to add more to the contents of his OP to make it less about Nintendo fans only. Id also monitor the thread and try nd keep it on track should we as a team of mods decided to leave it open. I might have also argued for a lock given the users history and the nature of the topic.

Also i dont think anyone is owed an explanation in this thread. Padib's query started out as a general topic around stealth trolling which a few mods responded to with a general reply. However now we are discussing a particular thread, and why it has been left open and not locked, moderated or edited etc.

I'll refer back to the rules of this thread:

• This is not the place to ask why your report did not result in a moderation for a user. Be respectful of the process and trust that every report is carefully examined before it is either dismissed or acted upon.

In any case ive raised it in the mod chat. Other than that I'd suggest a pm to one of the head mods if either you or Padib want to take this further.

I'm sure they will be just fine :)

Right, Im home.

RubberWhistleHistle has a long history of trouble causing, aimed primarily at Sony and Sony fans. Immediately seeing his name above that thread leads me to think trouble is brewing. Its later in the thread where it becomes clear, when RWH says he has not seen other threads about the subject of Sony's Remasters. Look again at his OP, where he says it needs to be "re-brought up". He fully acknowledges that it has been discussed before, yet wants to open it up again. Seeing that he has also posted in other threads about Sony remasters, it all adds up.

We really, really didnt need another thread on it. Especially one that is built on ignorance, 1 week away from E3.

With a history like his, creating another thread about Sony Remasters while knowing it is a touchy subject thats been discussed to death already? To use a fairly recent example, its very similar to what toastboy used to do with Nintendo. There comes a point where it is easy to see through the disguise and see the real intent behind what the user is doing.

Furthermore, when he got called out on his ignorance he decided to get aggressive with people, which in fairness should have been added to his moderation and was a mistake on my part on the night.

Like Shinobi said, under normal circumstances the people just shoving "Nintendo!" at him would have been moderated for it. However I view this as something similar to the toastboy situation, meaning I will sure as hell give people one more life if they fall for the bait. Since Ive been on this team Ive kept the same stance that its unfair to moderate people who fall for flamebait, because that just means the bad guy gets what he wants. Two of us were looking over the thread at the time and both of us agreed on it.

*edit* Whoops I posted in the wrong thread that was meant for PS Nation haha sorry. THese long work hours are getting to me. For those wondering I posted a tweet and an E3 pic here by accident