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Dr.Henry_Killinger said: If Nintendo really wanted this to benefit the Wii U they should've made it Cross Buy. If 1/4 the 3DS userbase bought smash, then at least half of them would have a reason to buy a Wii U, that's 5 million sales right there. But instead this competiton is supposed to help the game do better? Quite unlikely. |
I don't even think cross buy would help the situation quite a bit ...
The better idea would have been is to release the WII U version first and keep it exclusive for a several months before releasing the 3DS version so that this advantage would have been better leveraged for consumers buying the WII U.
mZuzek said:
Never mind, I won't even bother to answer everything you just said. If you think that counts as a "you win" in this argument, fair enough. You made me giggle there though. I'm not sure what dimension you're coming from, but as far as I know the original Xbox didn't come anywhere close to selling "way" more than the GameCube. |
way to cherry pick comments. Fair enough, the original XB still sold more than the GC. Mind you that was a console that just come into the console race and was practically non existent in japan. Why do you think that was.
But you are right lets drop it.... lets agre to disagree. I will just say again, in a few weeks or months time... we will see how much better SSB will help the wiiU sales. And how the wiiU will have a much better percentage boost during the holidays compared to the other platforms in relation to their monthly sales.
Will there be a bump because of Smash Bros. on Wii U? Probably, but will most of the bump be because of the holiday season ramping up, or because of the game alone? Understanding how well the game will push consoles will be difficult during that period of time, though I can already imagine the Smash fanatics: "OMG, see, Smash Bros. caused a huuuge bump!!!". I'm inclined to believe the holidays themselves, along with all the Wii U content that's available now, will have a bigger push than Smash Bros alone. Wii U didn't exactly light up the charts on fire when Mario Kart released (got a decent bump), which is a bigger and more popular series (appeals to a bigger audience than Smash Bros ever will), why will Smash Bros. be a bigger system mover than that?
I think people need to understand the situation, Smash Wii U will sell mainly to those who already have the console, it will be a multimillion seller, it will sell less than Mario Kart, still be a good success and ultimately not "save" the console. But it will be vital, because more big games the console gets will play a bigger factor in aiding some sort of recovery, even if it's just a few pulses. Those who expect something huge from Smash Bros alone will be disappointed.
The 3DS version is parasitic too, eating away from Smash Bros. Wii U's potential. Some will be satisfied with the 3DS version, and not care about buying a whole new console to play whats essentially about the same stuff. This whole "Smash fans will buy the 'real' version, it's meant to be played on the TV screen and will be the reason for big sales" nonsense....is nonsense, seems to be a common statement from Smash Bros fanatics. Apparently because of this "fact", the Wii U game won't be affected heavily by the 3DS one. Face the facts, those " double dippers" will be mainly the hardcore Smash Bros. fans, hence, not the majority, nowhere near those numbers Brawl put out of over 12 million, that's not the real size of the "hardcore" fanbase, it's much smaller. A lot of people will be content with the 3DS version and won't buy a $300 console to play this supposed "superior and better" version.
The only thing making me nervous about SSB Wii U's sales is SSB 3DS releasing first. I'm not sure I buy that being a good thing cause people will test it out there and then decide they want it on Wii U. I think it's possible a lot of people will get it on the 3ds since that has a big install base, and then look at that as yet another reason they don't need to buy a Wii U. But I still have faith the Wii U version will sell consoles. It's in a great release spot to do that.
I agree with OP. SSB U wont move much Wii U hardware. 3DS version will take the sales.
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Are you trying to say that graphics makes a game good?
| fatslob-:O said: I don't need to play a smash in order to know how fighters work cause as far as anyone is concerned the 3DS already has the ncessary control layout in order to make the game playable. "It's not some exclusive stages is 100% exclusive to each version. What you see in the 3Ds version, aside from the low poly Final destination is what you do not get in WIi U version. Do some reading ffs." http://ca.ign.com/wikis/super-smash-bros-wii-u-3ds/Version_Differences It's absolutely funny how your telling me to do some reading when it's clear you don't know a damn about the new Smash. Ironic how an outsider like myself knows more than guys like yourself who keeps track ... It doesn't get anymore embarassing than this. Why are you making so many godforsaken assumptions about cost ? "To be fair we'll use the 99 dollar gamecube controller bundle aswell." Extra costs invloved for a peripheral already ? #Fail "For a Wii U, you're guarenteed to have gamecube controllers lying about, wiimotes and nunchucks"And if you don't ? #Fail "from new with Wii U.. 225 (white Wii U basic)" The WII U is starting at $300 ... #Fail "Maybe one of your friends has a gamecube controller or two lying about?" So you have to assume that your friends have extra controllers ? #Fail Your making it too easy for me to rip your arguments apart like it's nothing ... Face it, the 3DS is the cheapest way to play the game. #dealwithit Your best case scenario only applies to local multiplayer and you once again assume that everyone wants to share the console as well as the game when most people are possessive of their belongings. Your proposal is null and void. Doesn't matter if one game came later than the other since my point was in this case that technical superiority doesn't factor into sales. Bayonetta sold more on the PS3 despite the fact that it came later while being inferior. These occurances happen regardless of release date ... Do you have any valid reasons as to why consumers should Smash on the WII U rather than 3DS ? |
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| Dr.Henry_Killinger said: You are being unrealistic. Smash Fans who are double dipping most likely already have a Wii U already. The only subset of this fanbase that wouldn't have a Wii U now would be waiting for the bundle and at the same time would not buy the Wii U for any of the prior games. Those who bought Smash on the 3DS because they wanted something to play are unlikely to buy the Wii U version much less buy a Wii U for the game itself. That's losts sales both for the console and the console version. Parent's sure as hell aren't gonna double dip for their kids, why buy a 200+ bundle when they can just buy a 50+ bundle for their kids and call it a day. "Super high number" is clearly way too much hype. There is no way that the 3DS version can be construed as beneficial, its only siphoning off potential sales. Its not like a game demo. The extra features, controls, and big screen (3DS XL says hello), isn't going to be enough to make casuals do the unthinkable and double dip. If Nintendo really wanted this to benefit the Wii U they should've made it Cross Buy. If 1/4 the 3DS userbase bought smash, then at least half of them would have a reason to buy a Wii U, that's 5 million sales right there. But instead this competiton is supposed to help the game do better? Quite unlikely. |
Your are assuming a majority of people willing to double dip already have a WiiU I don't think that is very realistic either. I know a few people myself that were holding out on a WiiU for Smash (and bought the 3DS version) I know this is my own corner of the world but hey, they world is a very big place and they can't be the only ones.
Many people that started to play smash are MUCH older now so now they have the opportunity to play Smash on a lunch break, stuck up in a hotel on a business trip or waiting a few hours a day on some oil lease. Then they are able to go home and unwind on the weekend and Play Smash on the big screen with some friends.
Keep what I said in mind and now picture this, many of these people were simply waiting on Smash to justify a WiiU purchase. Some people need more then one game before they can hop into bed with a console :-p For me I have to have a least 4 games on a system before I will buy it's why I waited for Infamous:SS before I bought a PS4, that does not mean I won't go back and pick up some older software. Same with the WiiU I bought, now I mainly got that for Mario but Smash was a big factor and the original plan was to wait for a Smash bundle or a BF deal, however I buckled and bought one so now I don't have to hunt one down over the holidays.
Smash has a history of selling well, it moved and sold 7 million on a console that was like the WiiU not exactly selling well. You probably could make some strong comparisons between that and the WiiU, but then again the fan base has grown and the game sold REALLY well on the WiiU 12+million though it did have a bigger install base, but it may have introduced people to the game that otherwise never played it before.
I am sure some parents will not double dip, but the kids that want it on both systems in all honesty will get it done eventually. You are also assuming that it's only children that buy these consoles! That could not be more untrue. For many gamer's Nintendo was there first console and while they may have something else now many are drawn back to it.. Nintendo has not been my main console since the SNES but I have owned a N64, GC, Wii and WiiU when the PSX, PS2, PS3, PS4 were my main consoles.
Maybe your overestimating the damage that the 3DS version will to to the console and maybe I am underestimating... Time will tell.
| fatslob-:O said: @Bold Again with the circular logic ... If 3DS ain't the reason why Smash is going to sell less on the WII U then what is ? @Underlined Yes, they are easy to rip apart and that wouldn't have happened if you didn't make countless assumptions ... You mean 3DS for everyone else cause as far as I know your the only championing this case. FYI online multiplayer is by far more common than local multiplayer and it's the superior experience cause you can play almost anywhere plus using split screen is annoying. Just where exactly the massive amount of reports where there are slowdowns and lag issues for the 3DS version ? |
Have you even bothered to look at the console spread (It's right on the front page)? At least according to VGChartz, 44 million to 7 million..... This is the only factor that means it will sell less on Wii U. I'm honestly expecting Wii U smash numbers to be somewhere in the range of 3 million-ish including digital (like Mario Kart 8). Those of us who pre-ordered on both consoles know what we want from both versions. The Wii U version is the one I will play mostly only with friends and what I will compete in tourney's with. The 3DS version I use mainly for playing with friends at my college when on break.
@Bold, Online multiplayer is not the superior experience when it doesn't work well to begin with. In Smash local is usually the best way to play multiplayer. You sound like never played Goldeneye, the superior multiplayer FPS experience of it's era on consoles, which is split screen. I love those people who act like online is some godsend thing, we have had it for years. it just shows how anti-social the world has become when it comes to games that originally were meant to bring friends together now split them apart via rj-45.
@underline, You obviously don't read a lot of comments on here, or anywhere for that fact about the game. It has widespread multiplayer issues. drops, consistant lag, frame drops to about 2 or 3 fps. You can go a solid 5 or 6 matches online no problem until someone has problems with their internet, then you suffer. Some of this stuff can be fixed via patch, but acting like Smash 3Ds is the only experience you need is laughable at best.
I can't wait for the Wii U version personally