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theRepublic said:

You make a lot of good points.  But what happens when everyone has basically the same graphical technology?  I feel we have already hit the point of diminishing returns.  Each coming generation is going to be harder to distinguish itself just on looks alone.

Isn't that the point where lateral thinking becomes most important?  That becomes the best way to set yourself apart from the rest of the competition.

First, I don't think we reached the point, there graphical improvements get to small. There is a lot of improvement possible, compare games to movies.

But while the power-difference between WiiU and PS4/X1 seems big, still all three use withered tech as defined in the OP. So I think there is a difference possible about the graphics capabilities and the price.

On the lateral thinking side of things - I think most concepts for getting into games are explored. Maybe Virtual Reality changes this, but at the moment I'm not convinced Virtual Reality is really a thing. But if virtual reality is coming, it is clear that it will radically change the way games control. Without it I see more or less a saturation point. This is visible in the controllers. Even if the WiiU gamepad seems different with the touchscreen, it basically is similar to classical controllers (similar buttons and sticks). I don't think the gamepad is really a big innovation. It seems at this point, that this is exactly trying to apply lateral thinking, but with no real aspects of changing the gaming. You probably wouldn't like a car today, that isn't steered by a steering wheel. There is a natural optimum for a set of tasks, and it seems to me, for controlling games this natural optimum is nearly reached. Except Virtual Reality is a thing.



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noname2200 said:
Mnementh said:


If we project that to gaming consoles it looks similar. The way games are controlled are similar for some time now. You have a controller with two sticks, some face buttons, some shoulder buttons. Controls for many game genres are more or less fixed since many years. No need to introduce something radical new, as the way it is is already well working.

So my conclusion is: Withered technology is something to stick with. but as the time for the biggest innovations in gaming is over, lateral thinking can be relaxed. Not that something should be suppressed, like move controls as the Wii had. But as classical controls are evolved to be good, new ways should be additional options.

I could not disagree more. The modern dual analogue controller is a clunky workaround that's intimidating to newcomers. It takes time and practice to get used to it. There is a LOT of room for improvement there, no matter how set in its way The Industry may have become. I see controls as the area with far and away the most room for improvement.

I feel different, and really the gamepad is only a slight variation of this design, but everything feels different about this. The Wii-controller was a real change, but Nintendo didn't stick with it, and game-devs badly supported it, so it seems this change isn't happening.



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Mnementh said:

theRepublic said:

You make a lot of good points.  But what happens when everyone has basically the same graphical technology?  I feel we have already hit the point of diminishing returns.  Each coming generation is going to be harder to distinguish itself just on looks alone.

Isn't that the point where lateral thinking becomes most important?  That becomes the best way to set yourself apart from the rest of the competition.

First, I don't think we reached the point, there graphical improvements get to small. There is a lot of improvement possible, compare games to movies.

But while the power-difference between WiiU and PS4/X1 seems big, still all three use withered tech as defined in the OP. So I think there is a difference possible about the graphics capabilities and the price.

On the lateral thinking side of things - I think most concepts for getting into games are explored. Maybe Virtual Reality changes this, but at the moment I'm not convinced Virtual Reality is really a thing. But if virtual reality is coming, it is clear that it will radically change the way games control. Without it I see more or less a saturation point. This is visible in the controllers. Even if the WiiU gamepad seems different with the touchscreen, it basically is similar to classical controllers (similar buttons and sticks). I don't think the gamepad is really a big innovation. It seems at this point, that this is exactly trying to apply lateral thinking, but with no real aspects of changing the gaming. You probably wouldn't like a car today, that isn't steered by a steering wheel. There is a natural optimum for a set of tasks, and it seems to me, for controlling games this natural optimum is nearly reached. Except Virtual Reality is a thing.

Diminishing returns is a fact of life.  At this point all consoles are very powerful computers, and it takes a massive increase in power to show even modest gains in grapical output.  The more the technology matures, the smaller the difference will be between competitors without a signifcant price difference.

Diminishing returns not only applies to hardware, but to software development as well.  Each developer has to weigh how good they want the game to look to how expensive they want the game to be to produce.  Even if movie level CGI during in game playable segments becomes technically possible, will it be affordable to produce?

Lateral think does not just apply to controls.  It can apply to game design as well.  Hell, it can apply to marketing, business models, the technical aspects of game development...just about anything really.  There is no reason to think lateral thinking should be a thing of the past.  That will just lead to stagnation.



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