All I am saying is that while we have factual data of the number game ratings claiming that the sales are lower than the number of ratings itself is a waste of everybody's time. The only point I'd see is if you claim the ratings are fabricated or say everybody who purchase the game rate it.

It is definitely higher than 75k and much lower than 500k. 200k would be my guess. 

What are you smoking! I said my theory supports Second son selling around 300k digitally not 500k. Read my posts properly please. 

And if you're referring to the same thumbs up as I am you're absolutely wrong. Maybe you're taking about something in the activity feed or something like that. 

But I'm not. Pay attention to the following. I just went on the PS4 store, clicked destiny and the only option is "add to cart". I can see the start ratings but not the thumbs up ratings. (Because I haven't bought it). Now I have the NHL 15 demo so i went onto that and low and behold the "add to cart" option is replaced by the thumbs up rating thing. 

For the actual game it's not there because once again I've not bought it. SO yes the 50k thumbs up on infamous EU store are from actual digital buyers of the game., Meaning that realistically unless everyone who bought it decided to give it a thumbs up it has likely sold a few hundred thousand digital copies. 

Now I've a feeling you're going to say that for games you own on disc you can rate them so I checked and once again you can't. I have both Killzone Shadow Fall and BF4 on the disc and when I go to them on the store once again I can see the star ratings (but not add my own) and I can't even see how many thumbs up it got. FYI it's got 20k star ratings so it looks like that game sold a lot of digital copies. 

You are speaking without evidence. Evidence says that atleast 10% sales of every game on average on PS4 is digital. So by that logic atleast 180k people have downloaded Infamous: Second Son. That goes well with the number of ratings it has recieved on PSN. You're 50-75k prediction is too far off. Especially since Infamous: Second Son has a rather small file size.

and especially since over 50k people who bought it digitally gave it a thumbs up on the eu store. I can easily see it doing a good 300k. Low end 200k high end 350k. 

75k was just a guess of the top of my head. The point that I was trying to make it that digital sales are no where near 500k.

Getting overly defensive here, I see lol. Here is a quote from your OP "The likes of infamous second son have 10k ratings on the store so would it make sense if that game had 500k downloads? Anyway this IMO is our best way to estimate digital sales for a game."

I was talking about the thumbs up on the PS4 home screen. I'm still pretty new to the PS4 OS as I've just purchased it a month ago. Now, as I said, I'm not here to start a debate on how many copies Infamous Second Son sold digitally (as I don't even care about that game). I'm just saying that the methodology that you suggested in the OP would have a huge error margin and would be nowhere near enough accurate for it to be considered a good way to measure digital sales. Obviously, there are games that people are going to be much more inclined to rate then others. For example, a bad game, more people will go rate it negatively because they're mad about their experience with that said game. 

But you know what, if you think that your methodology is actually good. Then go ahead, and use it. I really don't mind. In fact, if it does actually work out and I'm completely wrong, then more power to you because I'd love to one day be able to know how much each games sold digitally.

Obviously, 50-75k was just off the top with nothing to back it up. I was just trying to make a point that sales of a game that sold 1.8M retail will be nowhere near 500k. 180k actually makes sense.

Pretty interesting dude...Didn't read the whole thread so sorry if it was already said, but one or some of us should go through and try to get data for several dozen AAA games where info is available, get an average for ratings per stated DL's, and see if there is consistency...I like the idea.

It was a question not a statement. I did the math for my theory and it works out at around 300k copies. If you're goig ot have a serious debate don't say it sold more like 50-80k digital. I didn't say that it had 500k I was just getting the debate going. 

Lol, 50-80k was just a number off the top like your 500k number was. And you get way too defensive to have a serious debate anyways. I don't believe that your technique is pretty accurate, and I gave my reasons why. Now if you believe otherwise, then fine. As I've said, I really don't care about the sales number of Infamous specifically and I don't even care for that franchise nor do I have any interest in it. I came here to debate wether or not your technique is good, not if infamous second sond sold 75k or 180k or 300k. And in my opinion, this methodology has a way too big error margin to be even considered as an acceptable methodology. 

I mean, how can you prove that it's only 10% of digital owners that rated Destiny? How can you prove that it wasn't 20 or 30%? Or even 50%. How can you prove that it's only 10% of Second Son owners that rated the game? Etc. It doesn't mean that 1 game got rated by a certain % of people that every other game on the PSN shop got rated by only 10% of owners.

The only thing you got going for your methodology is that you can say that "X game sold a minimum of X copies due to X number of ratings on the psn shop". But you really can't go beyond that in MY OPINION.

Anyways, I gave my OPINION. Now I'm out of this thread for good. I really don't care if you don't like my opinion and it's not going to change until we have some proof to back up this way to estimate digital sales.