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Cool! 326 73.26%
 
Not cool... 119 26.74%
 
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QuintonMcLeod on 28 September 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

So, you're saying that a system can only be successful if it has multiplats? There's no way around it?

Nope, a system can definitely be succesfull without multiplats. Although it is significantly more likely to be succesfull with them. And either way can make more money with them. Think of the Wii for a moment, Nintendo made tonnes of money from it relying on mostly exclusive games. If they had had all of that and also multiplat games like COD and GTA on the Wii selling similar amounts to their PS360 counterparts then Nintendo would have made a lot more money from it.

Same with the Wii U, if they had what they have now, plus all the multiplats comparable to the other console versions then the Wii U would have undoubtedly sold more by now, even if it hadn't the software sales would be much higher. Either way Nintendo would be getting more money from the Wii U than they are currently.


You say Nintendo will make money from 3rd parties, but Sony nor Microsoft are making money with them. Yoshida himself said they make very little money from software sales.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/07/04/shuhei-yoshida-only-four-out-of-ten-playstation-games-make-money-but-sony-will-always-support-talent/

So, what's the real solution?

The point I'm trying to make here is that the comparison isn't fair. A better comparison would be to compare the software sales of both the PS4 and the Wii U's exclusives. 



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teigaga on 28 September 2014

The Power of Mario!



DonFerrari on 28 September 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:
Ka-pi96 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

So, you're saying that a system can only be successful if it has multiplats? There's no way around it?

Nope, a system can definitely be succesfull without multiplats. Although it is significantly more likely to be succesfull with them. And either way can make more money with them. Think of the Wii for a moment, Nintendo made tonnes of money from it relying on mostly exclusive games. If they had had all of that and also multiplat games like COD and GTA on the Wii selling similar amounts to their PS360 counterparts then Nintendo would have made a lot more money from it.

Same with the Wii U, if they had what they have now, plus all the multiplats comparable to the other console versions then the Wii U would have undoubtedly sold more by now, even if it hadn't the software sales would be much higher. Either way Nintendo would be getting more money from the Wii U than they are currently.


You say Nintendo will make money from 3rd parties, but Sony nor Microsoft are making money with them. Yoshida himself said they make very little money from software sales.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/07/04/shuhei-yoshida-only-four-out-of-ten-playstation-games-make-money-but-sony-will-always-support-talent/

So, what's the real solution?

The point I'm trying to make here is that the comparison isn't fair. A better comparison would be to compare the software sales of both the PS4 and the Wii U's exclusives. 


Man, read the link you posted... it was regarding to 1st parties (and possibly on indies game as well), for like 90+% of the 3rd parties Sony invest 0 on the game and just collect the royalties, so it is pure profit... the only way to lose money on a 3rd party is if you paid for exclusive content or game and didn't sold enough (like Ryse or D4)... Sony make a lot of money on royalties on 3rd party MP.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 28 September 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:


You say Nintendo will make money from 3rd parties, but Sony nor Microsoft are making money with them. Yoshida himself said they make very little money from software sales.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/07/04/shuhei-yoshida-only-four-out-of-ten-playstation-games-make-money-but-sony-will-always-support-talent/

So, what's the real solution?

The point I'm trying to make here is that the comparison isn't fair. A better comparison would be to compare the software sales of both the PS4 and the Wii U's exclusives. 

The article you linked to is actually about Sony's 1st party games, so nothing to do with 3rd parties at all...
Both Sony and Microsoft make most of their money from 3rd party platfrom royalties.

The comparison is fair. Consoles aren't just exclusive games, there are other games as well...
If we were comparing Sony and Nintendo as publishers then yeah only count exclusives. But we aren't, we are comparing software sales of the consoles. And regardless of who made/published the games they have still sold on PS4.

And we have several threads on publisher selling with Nintendo usually coming on top with EA, Activision, Ubisoft following then usually Sony... and when we see that the big 3rd parties sell a lot on Xboxes and very good on PSs and really poor on Ninties you can see why 3rd parties avoid putting most of their titles on Ninty platforms.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Multishanks on 28 September 2014

just goes to show Nintendo is a software manufacture that is so good they can produce hardware.

Congrats for sony though. Hope this only gets better throughout the gen.



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QuintonMcLeod on 28 September 2014
DonFerrari said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
Ka-pi96 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

So, you're saying that a system can only be successful if it has multiplats? There's no way around it?

Nope, a system can definitely be succesfull without multiplats. Although it is significantly more likely to be succesfull with them. And either way can make more money with them. Think of the Wii for a moment, Nintendo made tonnes of money from it relying on mostly exclusive games. If they had had all of that and also multiplat games like COD and GTA on the Wii selling similar amounts to their PS360 counterparts then Nintendo would have made a lot more money from it.

Same with the Wii U, if they had what they have now, plus all the multiplats comparable to the other console versions then the Wii U would have undoubtedly sold more by now, even if it hadn't the software sales would be much higher. Either way Nintendo would be getting more money from the Wii U than they are currently.


You say Nintendo will make money from 3rd parties, but Sony nor Microsoft are making money with them. Yoshida himself said they make very little money from software sales.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/07/04/shuhei-yoshida-only-four-out-of-ten-playstation-games-make-money-but-sony-will-always-support-talent/

So, what's the real solution?

The point I'm trying to make here is that the comparison isn't fair. A better comparison would be to compare the software sales of both the PS4 and the Wii U's exclusives. 


Man, read the link you posted... it was regarding to 1st parties (and possibly on indies game as well), for like 90+% of the 3rd parties Sony invest 0 on the game and just collect the royalties, so it is pure profit... the only way to lose money on a 3rd party is if you paid for exclusive content or game and didn't sold enough (like Ryse or D4)... Sony make a lot of money on royalties on 3rd party MP.


Doesn't negate the fact that Sony makes very little money on software sales.

But that isn't the point I was trying to make.



QuintonMcLeod on 28 September 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:


You say Nintendo will make money from 3rd parties, but Sony nor Microsoft are making money with them. Yoshida himself said they make very little money from software sales.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/07/04/shuhei-yoshida-only-four-out-of-ten-playstation-games-make-money-but-sony-will-always-support-talent/

So, what's the real solution?

The point I'm trying to make here is that the comparison isn't fair. A better comparison would be to compare the software sales of both the PS4 and the Wii U's exclusives. 

The article you linked to is actually about Sony's 1st party games, so nothing to do with 3rd parties at all...
Both Sony and Microsoft make most of their money from 3rd party platfrom royalties.

The comparison is fair. Consoles aren't just exclusive games, there are other games as well...
If we were comparing Sony and Nintendo as publishers then yeah only count exclusives. But we aren't, we are comparing software sales of the consoles. And regardless of who made/published the games they have still sold on PS4.


That is your opinion, and we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

In any case, I see no real reason to celebrate this. The PC ultimately wins this category, and you would agree with this. I'm sure you don't agree that we'd celebrate this fact with the PC, right?



QuintonMcLeod on 28 September 2014
DonFerrari said:
Ka-pi96 said:
QuintonMcLeod said:


You say Nintendo will make money from 3rd parties, but Sony nor Microsoft are making money with them. Yoshida himself said they make very little money from software sales.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/07/04/shuhei-yoshida-only-four-out-of-ten-playstation-games-make-money-but-sony-will-always-support-talent/

So, what's the real solution?

The point I'm trying to make here is that the comparison isn't fair. A better comparison would be to compare the software sales of both the PS4 and the Wii U's exclusives. 

The article you linked to is actually about Sony's 1st party games, so nothing to do with 3rd parties at all...
Both Sony and Microsoft make most of their money from 3rd party platfrom royalties.

The comparison is fair. Consoles aren't just exclusive games, there are other games as well...
If we were comparing Sony and Nintendo as publishers then yeah only count exclusives. But we aren't, we are comparing software sales of the consoles. And regardless of who made/published the games they have still sold on PS4.

And we have several threads on publisher selling with Nintendo usually coming on top with EA, Activision, Ubisoft following then usually Sony... and when we see that the big 3rd parties sell a lot on Xboxes and very good on PSs and really poor on Ninties you can see why 3rd parties avoid putting most of their titles on Ninty platforms.

Well, it honestly depends. There's a lot of poor selling games on the PS3/X360 that are graced with sequels all the time. The 3DS version of Resident Evil Revelations will see a sequel on every system but a Nintendo system, even though the 3DS version was the highest selling version. There's plenty of examples that prove that sales aren't really the issue here.



ice on 28 September 2014

Damn PS4! Nice job! Xbox One will pass the Wii U shortly.



NobleTeam360 on 28 September 2014

Congrats to PS4.