there just like any other company,only listen to consumers,when it hurts there bottom line,end of story.

Let me ask you something Viltgance. If you work for a company and your old boss screws up the business for you, so he gets the sack and you get a new boss to replace him, does that mean the new boss has to suffer the same imagin even though it wasnt his doing? Of course not. Sony stuffed up with the PS3 but isnt it funny how many gamers forget about it.. and to be honest the PS3 stuff up was heaps worse then the XB1 and thats becuase the XB1 still mamnage to be cheaper then there previous console and they never told you to get 2 jobs to afford it, while the XB1 had many reasons for its DRM and internet connections which most gamers today dont understand. Iv been gaming for more then 20+ years and now i game on Steam as my main. Basically the difference is MS policies had to do with gaming while Sonys policies didnt. Those gamers like yourself who beleave that corps dont deserve forgiveness while prasing another corp are the ones who have no idea about the industry. Sony hid behind a rock while MS had stones throw at them. Sony had the same ideas and vision, they wanted DRM (paywalls etc), a Kinect (PS Camera) , a Cloud (Gaikai) TV (PS TV) Online connections (PS NOW). So while you grow a hatred for MS because you think they did the wrong thing well think again, its the innocent ones that you need to watch out for.

At the end of the day i dont buy consoles because i love a corparation, i buy consoles for the love of the games, if its Mario or God of War or Halo. A console doesnt make the games bad. Atleast MS are listening to there customers, do you think Apple would do the same with there phones? No.

What PR BS dude? Sony has always been a format leader in one respect or another (hence why Nintendo brought them into the industry in the first place). Any format Sony puts into their consoles always affects the mass market (They were all expensive until Sony dropped mass market price through game sales). It worked for CD's, DVD's, and then Blu Rays, making it easier for people to have a better format in their home with any brand. They have always been in the forefront.

Just remember...they took the fall for their risk and were bleeding through the teeth financially until it became a success. Microsoft forced everyone to buy the Kinect when they knew it wasn't as desirable as the previous gen. Now that they dropped the Kinect, lets wait and see how the market more accurately responds to the Kinect based on valid games coming out to make sense out of its existence. My Kinect is disconnected. 

There is a difference between taking a risk on a primary format and a secondary peripheral. 

The exact PR BS that you are repeating here. Bluray was in direct competition with HD-DVD and, although it certainly deserved to win that fight, they only installed it to make money of the customers while getting a huge marketshare in the Bluray market. To give you a hint of the attitude they had back then: http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/06/sony-wants-you-to-earn-that-playstation-3/. You seriously think that THAT is the attitude that puts the consumer first-hand?

It´s the exact same attitude as Don Mattrick showed regarding the X1. Problem is, you seem to always only be able to see one side of the coin.

That is Kaz Hirai's attitude towards things and yes that represents Sony's but the sooner he got promoted the better. Despite his assholeish ways, he helped the PS3 make it through that turmoil causing his value to rise.   Just like people blame Balmer and Mattrick for the bad image Microsoft was given, so to was Kaz Hirai responsible for that image and the faster his face was out of the limelight and replaced by Tretton the better . No one can take that moment away. Even I refused to buy a PS3 until the price dropped, but when I got it I saw what the hype of Blu Ray was all about. Large file sizes, more clarity and the list goes on and on for the benefits. You obviously haven't known me but i've been here since 2008, if you heard what I said back then about Sony you wouldn't be so sure of my stance on things. If Yusuf Medhi was the head of running the Xbox division instead of Spencer the Xbox One would've failed because he would've had more resistence to consumers.

Sony regained consumer trust by delivering an amazing product with a fleet of amazing games that yielded nothing that they first launched with. Remember that (because they did not need). They proved the value of what they were selling. Just because Kaz Hirai was a dick, doesn't change the fact.

Microsofts launch mistakes included multiple offenses. Sony's was just being too expensive. If Blu Ray was at mass market price no one would've complained. The market ate up PS3's because they were the cheapest Blu Ray players on the market as well as the fact that it was a multimedia device.

If Sony hadn't set the standard as a model for Micorosoft to act, Microsoft would not have known how to give the people what they want.

You are not wrong. Though its only logical to try and leave positive re-enforcement when they do the right thing.
It really souldnt be necessary though.

Sony's PS3 issues was price and only price. The rest of the console was great. Good games, free online, blu-ray. Price killed it and they messed up by their marketing and PR. It took them a long time to recover and no one said 'Wow Sony, you are so great for lowering the cost of your console, removing parts from it and making it cheaper for us consumers', they said "About time, idiots."

This is what we should be saying to MS, not well done for listening. We should be ridiculing them for even thinking it even if they have made strides to change their ways. The man in charge doesn't matter as these descisions are made by group concensus.

On bolded: release price for PS3 in the UK was £425, release price for Xbone in the UK was £430. More expensive.

Then this "Sony had the same ideas and vision, they wanted DRM (paywalls etc), a Kinect (PS Camera) , a Cloud (Gaikai) TV (PS TV) Online connections (PS NOW)."

Where is it stated that Sony wanted an always online (online check) DRM solution? PS Camera is an optional extra. Gaikai is being used as PS Now, no one criticised MS over their Cloud existance. PS TV isn't a TV box, it's a small game console, essentially as PSVita that attaches to your TV. And if you really can't see the difference between online checks (DRM controls) and PS Now needing a online connection to work (it's streaming games), then you are lost.

Was it Kaz that said those things? I always thought it was Ken. well, never mind.

Also, didn´t Sony remove backwards compatibility with PS2? Thinking about multiple offenses ;).

They've basically been doing what they should have done in the beginning. It's a person getting awarded at their job for simply being proficient at what they do. That shouldn't warrant praise; it should be an expectation. Plus, suddenly being to nice to try and get on people's good side shouldn't be excuse the fact that they pretty much lied at every turn in the initial marketing of the XBone.

You're right it was Kutaragi. Yeah, Sony removed backwards compatibility to cut costs in making the PS3 more affordable. The material used to make the PS3 was also cheaper even though the majority of the hardware was relatively the same.