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drake_tolu said:
PS4: 10,000,000
XBOX ONE: 5,000,000

This is domination...

I completely agree.

All I am saying is this can change.

Holiday 2016.

PS4: 34,000,000

Xbox One: 32,800,000

Now that is what I call closing the gap:)



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Zanten said:
Jega said:
CGI-Quality said:

You'd have to explain how the X1 can even take back the US, at this point. One game isn't going to do it (and it just had an exclusive bundle for the week - hardly something to expect a repeat of next week). Sony will probably remain price competitive, so that won't be enough, either. We've already seen previous explanations as to why it would happen and none of those got it anywhere close. Thus, it's going to take an explanation of something other than wishful thinking for: "Xbox is gonna take the US back I am sure of it" to make sense.

Next, the PS4 is already dominating. It's currently 2:1 (and the X1 loses weekly by upwards of 3:1, sometimes). Very few expect a domination like the PS2 era, but it doesn't need to hit that to be dominant.

CGI CGI why do you and some people think I am talking about now.

I don't see the Playstation 4 outselling Xbox One in America for this entire generation. I predict it will be just like last gen where

Xbox 360 dominated the PS4 in america.

Now I am not saying the PS4 cannot win in america. I am just saying I don't see it despite the fact that the PS4 is outselling the xbox one

in america right now. That is all I am saying.

I don't see the ps4 holding on to the lead. And I predict november will be the month the xbox one finally outsells the ps4 in america 

mainly because of call of duty.

Once again I could be dead wrong, but that is what I think will happen.

But again, though, why? I think the Xbox One has a decent chance (well, better a chance than anywhere else) of catching up to the PS4, even outselling it to a degree, but what you should keep in mind is that the Xbox 360 and PS3 drew level with each other globally only because the Xbox 360 was massively winning in the U.S., and substantially leading in the U.K. Heck, even those big victories, and an over 30 month NPD win streak for the 360, didn't keep the PS3 globally outselling the Xbox 360 month after month, until it had gobbled up the 360's initial lead. Keep in mind, the fact that they're about equal now is only due to a quirk of timing; had the gen been two or three years shorter, the 360 would be the clear winner. Had it been two or three years longer, the PS3 would be the clear winner. It just so happens we're at a point where they're intersecting, before the PS3's higher momentum carried it past the 360 altogether.

Dominating the PS4 the same way the 360 dominated the PS3 would require not only a truly massive boost, (which Call of Duty and Halo MCC may indeed provide,) but for the PS4 not to be boosted at all during the holiday season, which is just silly. Keep in mind, the Xbox One could match the PS4's sales in the U.S., even outsell it by 10-20%, and still get dominated globally. It could completely DOUBLE the PS4's sales in the U.S., and still have the global gap get wider and wider in favor of the PS4. The only way we can see the Xbox One even start closing the global gap is if its baseline sales TRIPLE, with no boost whatever to the PS4's baseline, and even then it would take months, if not years, to close the five million gap.

Also, when you say outselling the PS4 in America, do you mean 'They will finally win a month,' or do you think November is when the total Xbox One U.S. sales will be higher than the total PS4 sales? Because that seems like a pretty massive long shot. o.o

That is why I predict by holiday 2016, it won't happen in 6 months not even a year. 

I think the Xbox One can win November and December. Come January 2015 the PS4 could take the lead back for maybe 3 or 4 months but

The Xbox One will regain the momentum for the rest of the year.

Once again I am just talking about America.



Jega said:
drake_tolu said:
PS4: 10,000,000
XBOX ONE: 5,000,000

This is domination...

I completely agree.

All I am saying is this can change.

Holiday 2016.

PS4: 34,000,000

Xbox One: 32,800,000

Now that is what I call closing the gap:)


LMAO your imagination is awesome. 

thats what i call living of hopes.



CGI-Quality said:
Jega said:
CGI-Quality said:

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CGI CGI why do you and some people think I am talking about now.

I don't see the Playstation 4 outselling Xbox One in America for this entire generation. I predict it will be just like last gen where

Xbox 360 dominated the PS4 in america.

Now I am not saying the PS4 cannot win in america. I am just saying I don't see it despite the fact that the PS4 is outselling the xbox one

in america right now. That is all I am saying.

I don't see the ps4 holding on to the lead. And I predict november will be the month the xbox one finally outsells the ps4 in america 

mainly because of call of duty.

Once again I could be dead wrong, but that is what I think will happen.

Jega, Jega, Jega - it doesn't matter what area of this gen you're referring to. Your assumptions/theories/guesses make no sense. Just look very closely at your view - you predict a similar outcome in the US to last gen - without anything that really explains how this can come to pass. 

I, on the other hand, predict no such thing will happen. Why? The 360 launched with a much lower price, a year headstart, and had nothing of a stigma like the X1 has (even with the RRoD fiasco). This is on top of the fact that 3rd parties were on board with the 360 in a way they aren't with the X1, unlike the PS4 (not to mention, better performing multiplats are all on PS4 and the shooter crowd seems to have moved over as well).

Your move.


Becasue he sees it like that, thats why.  X1 will magiclally recover well becasue he thinks it will.

Or has his hopes rubbed of and you are expecting an actual arguemnt using logic and not feels.



Maciveli said:
Jega said:

IT IS ONLY THE FIRST YEAR! 

Why can't some of you not understand that things can change. 

2015 COULD be different for the Xbox One. Microsoft could do many things. The obvious one is a price drop to 350 for the xbox one.

I don't think microsoft will do that though. Second anounce even more exclusives. That will change what system people will buy.

Or just people start spreading word about the games thats already on the system that is not on the ps4. 

The Xbox One can outsell the ps4 in america in 2015. IT IS POSSIBLE. Anyone that says that is impossible is fooling themselves.

Again I am not saying this will happen. I just think that is what will happen.

PS4 can also outsell the Xbox one in america as well. I AM FULLY AWARE OF THAT.


Only one fooling them selves is you buddy.

X1 bundles already prove a 350 cut would do nothing .  And would be no where near big enough cut to maybe sale even with PS4.  Seems you fail to understand PS4 is a in demend liked product X1 is not, mass media and consumer negetivity just never truely go away.  Peopel did spread the word and it sunk x1 sales.

If you think this over logicaly and set aside your emotions youd see its not gonna happen, There sjust is nothing MS can really do that PS cant counter.

X1 price cut okPS4 cuts to 299, thats the last thing MS want.  To compete with a 299 PS4.  Exclusves lol ok, PS has more of them has more proven devs and has more third party support .  So PS has more gaems, so your Xbox will have game goes out the window.  

I "can" walk on the moon and or kill people, thats about as likely as X1 outselling the PS4.  Now think about what it means when you say it can.  


It is just one week and I didn't want to bring it up. But you do know the Xbox One Just outsold the PS4 in america by a small margin.

The way I see it this is just the beginning.

In my opinion this gen will be jus like last gen except for Nintendo.



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Jega said:

It is just one week and I didn't want to bring it up. But you do know the Xbox One Just outsold the PS4 in america by a small margin.

The way I see it this is just the beginning.

In my opinion this gen will be jus like last gen except for Nintendo.


Many have made the same arguemnt many times, then adjustments happen and lol well they wasted their time.

Opinions is worthless with out intelligent facts backing them.  



Azzanation said:

The problem with gaming today is the media that feeds the fanboys. There's nothing wrong with any of the consoles, they all offer different benefits and different games. If I want the best Platformers ill buy a WiiU, if I want the best Action Adventure ill buy a PS4 if I want the best Sci-fi shooters ill get a XB1, if I want the best RTS ill buy a PC. Fanboys want other consoles to fail yet having other brands fall gives them no benefits. All they care about is there preferred choice. MS goofed up with the PR on the XB1 and the media and Sony are taking full advantage of it. Honestly someone tell me why the PS4 is destroying the XB1 in sales when both consoles lack serious quality games? Marketing is a strong force and to call out a winner this early is just stupid. PS3 started slow and was 1 year behind the 360 and they manage to turn that system around. XB1 is having a slow start and is 1 year behind the PS4 if you consider that the XB1 isn't available world wide (13 countries compared to 72+). Remember when Sony claimed the PS3 to be twice the power of the 360 and they told everyone if they cant afford the PS3 then they should get 2 jobs. Sony changed because of MS and MS are changing now because of Sony. They need each other to be successful or it will just be a dominate Nintendo and PC market.

That will never happen. If Sony and MS leave the market without someone taking there place most gamers would go PC only and not bother with Nintendo.



small44 said:
Jega said:
Jumpinbeans said:
The only way I feel Microsoft's XboxONE would stand a chance this generation would be if they purchased a major studio.....no not Mojang (which is just plain wrong) but someone like Activision or EA or Rockstar to get hold of global AAA titles. Thats the only way I see it happening.....sadly though it won't happen because it would be in a sense economic suicide in one respect as MSFT would be paying a premium for a company only for them to write off at least 1/2 of the value but making it exclusive.

First of all Minecraft has sold over 50 million copies across multiple platforms.

What is plain wrong about that?

I don't what microsoft have in mind with that deal, but the only thing that come to my mind is making the maybe mindcraft 2 

exclusive to the Xbox One.

........or MOJANG has a killer game in development that microsoft wants exclusively on the Xbox One, that they are not telling 

anybody about that people will want to play and it will be Xbox exclusive. Again possibly selling Millions of consoles.

That is why I keep saying things can change for Xbox One. Microsoft has the money and resources to make the Xbox One e

extremely successful just like or even more than the Xbox 360.

If they expect Mincraft to be a huge system seller they are wrong but still the games sold a lot so they will make huge money software wise with it

I am not going to debate wether minecraft can push consoles or not as I know very little about minecraft other than it has sold a ton.

I don't think microsoft bought them to sell software though.

Microsoft wants to sell those Xbox Ones thats what I know.

Time will tell if this buyout pays off.



Ninsect said:
Jega said:

ohh and by the way CGI. I don't think it will even be close to anything like the ps2 era. It is not even like that now.

The PS2 outsold the Xbox by a margin of 5: 1.

Currently, it is a margin of 2:1. 

Microsoft did a great job ensuring XBOX got into the minds of the public. Call Microsoft whatever you want cheaters, (coming out a 

year earlier), money-hatters, whatever they had to do they practically is neck and neck with sony in every territory except for

japan and mainland europe. In the UK USA and Canada Microsoft clearly beat Sony and Playstation.

PS4 sales in 2014: 5.8m

X1 sales in 2014: 2.1m

That's almost 3:1 this year

The gap is widening

 

" whatever they had to do they practically is neck and neck with sony in every territory except for

japan and mainland europe"

-Like where? The only place where it's remotely close is the US.

I was talking about the Xbox 360.

Sorry I didn't make that clear in my post.



Jega said:
Zanten said:
Jega said:
CGI-Quality said:
 

You'd have to explain how the X1 can even take back the US, at this point. One game isn't going to do it (and it just had an exclusive bundle for the week - hardly something to expect a repeat of next week). Sony will probably remain price competitive, so that won't be enough, either. We've already seen previous explanations as to why it would happen and none of those got it anywhere close. Thus, it's going to take an explanation of something other than wishful thinking for: "Xbox is gonna take the US back I am sure of it" to make sense.

Next, the PS4 is already dominating. It's currently 2:1 (and the X1 loses weekly by upwards of 3:1, sometimes). Very few expect a domination like the PS2 era, but it doesn't need to hit that to be dominant.

CGI CGI why do you and some people think I am talking about now.

I don't see the Playstation 4 outselling Xbox One in America for this entire generation. I predict it will be just like last gen where

Xbox 360 dominated the PS4 in america.

Now I am not saying the PS4 cannot win in america. I am just saying I don't see it despite the fact that the PS4 is outselling the xbox one

in america right now. That is all I am saying.

I don't see the ps4 holding on to the lead. And I predict november will be the month the xbox one finally outsells the ps4 in america 

mainly because of call of duty.

Once again I could be dead wrong, but that is what I think will happen.

But again, though, why? I think the Xbox One has a decent chance (well, better a chance than anywhere else) of catching up to the PS4, even outselling it to a degree, but what you should keep in mind is that the Xbox 360 and PS3 drew level with each other globally only because the Xbox 360 was massively winning in the U.S., and substantially leading in the U.K. Heck, even those big victories, and an over 30 month NPD win streak for the 360, didn't keep the PS3 globally outselling the Xbox 360 month after month, until it had gobbled up the 360's initial lead. Keep in mind, the fact that they're about equal now is only due to a quirk of timing; had the gen been two or three years shorter, the 360 would be the clear winner. Had it been two or three years longer, the PS3 would be the clear winner. It just so happens we're at a point where they're intersecting, before the PS3's higher momentum carried it past the 360 altogether.

Dominating the PS4 the same way the 360 dominated the PS3 would require not only a truly massive boost, (which Call of Duty and Halo MCC may indeed provide,) but for the PS4 not to be boosted at all during the holiday season, which is just silly. Keep in mind, the Xbox One could match the PS4's sales in the U.S., even outsell it by 10-20%, and still get dominated globally. It could completely DOUBLE the PS4's sales in the U.S., and still have the global gap get wider and wider in favor of the PS4. The only way we can see the Xbox One even start closing the global gap is if its baseline sales TRIPLE, with no boost whatever to the PS4's baseline, and even then it would take months, if not years, to close the five million gap.

Also, when you say outselling the PS4 in America, do you mean 'They will finally win a month,' or do you think November is when the total Xbox One U.S. sales will be higher than the total PS4 sales? Because that seems like a pretty massive long shot. o.o

That is why I predict by holiday 2016, it won't happen in 6 months not even a year. 

I think the Xbox One can win November and December. Come January 2015 the PS4 could take the lead back for maybe 3 or 4 months but

The Xbox One will regain the momentum for the rest of the year.

Once again I am just talking about America.



 Let me put it this way. Your idea of the Xbox One closing the global gap requires, obviously, the Xbox One to start outselling the PS4 in global numbers, either by a GIANT number one month, or a more reasonably number for multiple months, right? So, obviously, you expect the Xbox One's sales in the U.S. to triple those of the PS4 on a regular, constant basis, since as I mentioned, it is the only conceivable way the Xbox One can accomplish higher global sales. Even if the Xbox One sells twice as many U.S. consoles as PS4, the global gap will not shrink, it will in fact get bigger in the PS4's favor. So you need Xbox One sales- and I mean, every single month- to triple those of the PS4 to even start closing the global gap.

Call of Duty will not accomplish this. It WILL give a big boost, a very big boost, but it won't increase the baseline, because there's a finite number of Call of Duty fanatics who base their console choice solely on which has earlier DLC. =P Even if Advanced Warfare brings those people over (which I doubt,) you'll see a big, big surge in sales on Advanced Warfare's release, before dropping back to normal levels. Same goes with Halo; big boost, but finite number of fans. The same can be said for ANY pre-established franchise, on both sides, as the people who upgrade 'Just For This Franchise' are relatively limited compared to those who look at the wider picture.

You made an excellent point when you said that the diehard fans only account for so many sales. But your mistake is assuming that the console-neutral, or outright casual, people will flock to the Xbox One in numbers larger than the PS4. Right now, PS4 has the better PR, the better image, is being seen as the 'winner' by anyone who does even a tiny bit of research, and if you have no personal attachment or prior interest in Xbox OR Playstation franchises, then you're more likely to go with whatever side has more raw content. Which, right now, is Playstation. Going Xbox is literally going AGAINST the consumer 'flow,' and is most often done because people simply have more interest in Xbox's lineup of exclusives, their IPs and franchises... which is only a judgement call one can make if they've already played them.

And your last thread, about how more Playstation owners were bored with their PS3s, and more Xbox 360 owners were satisfied, was ridiculous. =P Of the two consoles, the PS3 wasn't the one whose exclusive titles dried up to the same three franchises over four years.



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