| MRKs said: More nitendoom? Man this forums sucks sometimes |
It's a sales website. #dealwithit
| MRKs said: More nitendoom? Man this forums sucks sometimes |
It's a sales website. #dealwithit
| Iveyboi said: Woof. And dat VITA line... |
It's like in a heart monitor, it basically says it's dead. Nothing can revive dead except for Sony to stop being such douches and cares about its own system a bit.
| Soundwave said:
I tend to think the Fusion platform will something seperate though, something more in the $199.99-$249.99 price range. |
Handheld component. (149$, stand alone, if they can do it, or 199$. Can't have the 3DS launch price repeat.)
Console dock. (199$, stand alone, to run the games at higher IQ. If they can reach 1080p/60FPS at that or a lower price point they'll be gold.)
All games are cross compatible, they run at higher IQ on the console. Throw in some incentives for people who have both? This time around, they can't sell BOTH systems at a massive loss.
That seems about right.
Vena said:
Console dock. (199$, stand alone, to run the games at higher IQ. If they can reach 1080p/60FPS at that or a lower price point they'll be gold.) All games are cross compatible, they run at higher IQ on the console. Throw in some incentives for people who have both? This time around, they can't sell BOTH systems at a massive loss. That seems about right. |
I kinda think of the Fusion a seperate thing, I think that's more of the 3DS + Wii U successor all in one.
How about a lower end "budget tablet" in addition to the above:
$139.99 MSRP
5.8-inch 1280x720 LCD (no 3D) single screen multitouch.
3DS chipset + an extra Snapdragon 800 mobile chip lets say (should be dirt cheap by now) with 512MB of RAM.
Perhaps "removable" controller wings so you can position the screen horizontally or vertically (DS/3DS legacy mode).
NES, Super NES, N64, Game Boy/GBA, DS, 3DS back catalog games ($0.99-$19.99).
NFC chip built in for Amiibo support.
Runs customized Android OS (like Kindle Fire), has access to Android apps, but only Nintendo approved ones through Nintendo store. Nintendo charges a small "Nintendo tax" on game apps (so they get a cut of the action). So Angry Birds would be $1.50 instead of $0.99 with Nintendo getting a 50 cent cut per download.
I think this would clean up in the budget tablet marketspace, but I don't think Nintendo is too vehemently against the devaluing of software prices from the $39.99-$59.99 norm to go this route.
Woah, the market has changed so much. I remember thinking back at how poorly the PSP sold in 2007 and 2008.
too bad Smash Bros got delayed from its original Summer release date which I'm guessing was going to be August.
While these sales aren't anything to brag about, I'm not going to scream doom and gloom yet due to the fact it hasn't received any notable software since Tomodachi Life in early June.
September likely won't be very strong either but Smash Bros in October and Pokemon OR/AS in November along with the holidays should give it a strong final quarter this year.
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| Soundwave said: I kinda think of the Fusion a seperate thing, I think that's more of the 3DS + Wii U successor all in one. How about a lower end "budget tablet" in addition to the above: $129.99 MSRP 5.8-inch 1280x720 LCD (no 3D) single screen multitouch. 3DS chipset + an extra Snapdragon 800 mobile chip lets say (should be dirt cheap by now) with 512MB of RAM. Perhaps "removable" controller wings so you can position the screen horizontally or vertically (DS/3DS legacy mode). NES, Super NES, N64, Game Boy/GBA, DS, 3DS back catalog games ($0.99-$19.99). NFC chip built in for Amiibo support. Runs customized Android OS (like Kindle Fire), has access to Android apps, but only Nintendo approved ones through Nintendo store. Nintendo charges a small "Nintendo tax" on game apps (so they get a cut of the action). So Angry Birds would be $1.50 instead of $0.99 with Nintendo getting a 50 cent cut per download. I think this would clean up in the budget tablet marketspace, but I don't think Nintendo is too vehemently against the devaluing of software prices from the $39.99-$59.99 norm to go this route. |
I consider Fusion/the combined and/or unified architecture for the next generation of Nintendo to be the same thing.
The tablet may work (aside from the fact that I don't think Snapdragon is a good choice now or later), but I don't know how it would enter the market in any meaningful way to even sell well enough to justify the R&D. They'd need to alter the android environment quite a bit, too, since its not built well for managing RAM/CPU usage for gaming. IF Nintendo can really build this and market it at that price point, and get a decent market share, they would definitely sweep the lower, entry market place. Tablets can already do just about everything (though I wonder if the 720p LCD won't be used against it in competitor marketing) and the ability to tap into Nintendo's entire historical line-up through the VC at affordable and controlled prices could very well work.
They'd also be maintaining their hardware control as they always like. (I just don't know how they'd ever break into the tablet market, its so saturated and canibalistic right now.)
wow that is kinda sad
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Vena said:
The tablet may work (aside from the fact that I don't think Snapdragon is a good choice now or later), but I don't know how it would enter the market in any meaningful way to even sell well enough to justify the R&D. They'd need to alter the android environment quite a bit, too, since its not built well for managing RAM/CPU usage for gaming. IF Nintendo can really build this and market it at that price point, and get a decent market share, they would definitely sweep the lower, entry market place. Tablets can already do just about everything (though I wonder if the 720p LCD won't be used against it in competitor marketing) and the ability to tap into Nintendo's entire historical line-up through the VC at affordable and controlled prices could very well work. They'd also be maintaining their hardware control as they always like. (I just don't know how they'd ever break into the tablet market, its so saturated and canibalistic right now.) |
Yeah I just threw the Snapdragon in there because it seems to be the standard smartphone/tablet GPU of this era. But you'd have the 3DS GPU there too.
The pro of it though is that Nintendo could probably get such a component at a very low cost, combined with the 3DS chip which is probably quite cheap it would help keep costs low. I think that's going to be one of the big take aways for Nintendo this gen ... using heavily customized components and chipsets is really not a great idea because they don't scale in price well (they don't have much flexibility in the Wii U price it seems either).
Plus having these kids snap up a budget tablet could also be a large boon to amiibo toy sales.
I think such a product would be a far better idea than "New 3DS" alone. But I think Nintendo is still to scared by the mobile app industry to do this. It would be interesting for sure though.
The key to any tablet entry is to NOT go head to head with Apple. A tablet in the price range of $139-$169 would be way cheaper than Apple's lowest priced iPad mini. I think they can compete against the lower price tablets, as a game vendor they also have one huge advantage too -- they can sell their hardware without a big profit margin because they can make money on software + amiibo toys.
| Soundwave said: Yeah I just threw the Snapdragon in there because it seems to be the standard smartphone/tablet GPU of this era. The pro of it though is that Nintendo could probably get such a component at a very low cost, combined with the 3DS chip which is probably quite cheap it would help keep costs low. I think that's going to be one of the big take aways for Nintendo this gen ... using heavily customized components and chipsets is really not a great idea because they don't scale in price well (they don't have much flexibility in the Wii U price it seems either). Plus having these kids snap up a budget tablet could also be a large boon to amiibo toy sales. I think such a product would be a far better idea than "New 3DS" alone. But I think Nintendo is still to scared by the mobile app industry to do this. It would be interesting for sure though. The key to any tablet entry is to NOT go head to head with Apple. A tablet in the price range of $139-$169 would be way cheaper than Apple's lowest priced iPad mini. I think they can compete against the lower price tablets, as a game vendor they also have one huge advantage too -- they can sell their hardware without a big profit margin because they can make money on software + amiibo toys. |
Watching this most recent treehouse is what Nintendo needs to do more of... Anyway.
The 3DS isn't custom, its just underclocked. Its a standard ARM11 MPCore. The WiiU is but, as is becoming rather apparent, I don't see PowerPC lasting unless IBM strikes a great deal with Nintendo or something. They'll likely keep the WiiU chip around in their next console to guarantee the reverse compatability and, by then, the chip production for it will be dirt cheap.
I just don't know how easily they'd gain mind share in the market, kids or otherwise, since the phone/tablet market is more saturated than a sponge in the pacific. And, yes, it would be better than a lone n3DS but its just not the time to introduce it right now. The n3DS is just to hold over the market for a year or two, it would make more sense to launch anything and everything new as one whole big "idea" for the consomer base to know about.
Never said to compete with Apple, just saying that the market is flooded.