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wilco said:
JazzB1987 said:

What if she faked those troll accounts to have some PR? All is possible. I was going to click on the link to read the article but then decided to close the window before it was loaded to prevent her from getting more attention (click revenue for the verge)

TBH she only sees 1 side of the whole dilemma and focuses to much on that.
E.g 99% of criminals in games are male does she talk about how most women are good heated in games? NOPE why would she wouldn't fit her agenda. If she wants woman to be portrayed better in video games then she should start to change women in real life. There is a reason why there is strip clubs in games because they exist in reallife and women work there on their own free will. All people are the same if you are feminist or dont care if someone sees your boobies is all "acting". Some women and men act tough and cool to others but are quite fragile.  She takes all of this way to serious.


Focusing on one side is very much the correct way to support your thesis. That is one of the most important rules when writing academic papers. You can address counteragruments but your paper needs to remain focused on whatever your thesis is otherwise it will become muddled and your point will be lost. Make no mistake, Anita Sarkeesians videos aren't much more than an academic exercise. I enjoy them, but that really is all they are. She doesn't need to address every issue in gaming, just the ones that are related to her message. That is not a bad thing. I don't get why people keep bringing her laser focus up as a negative.

And yes, strip clubs exist in real life. But so do other women both good and bad. From viewing her videos I don't think the issue is even so much "negative" representations of women as it is "narrow" representations of women. Video games tend to show a wide variety of male characters but female representation tends to be more narrow. And yes, as with all things there are counterexamples but that doesn't mean it isn't still a pervasive issue.

So Sarkeesian takes this way too serious? I thought we wanted video games to be taken seriously?

Well I dont know who wants games to be taken seriously I dont know what the advantage of that would be but making mountains out of molehills certainly does not help here at all.

There is bigger problems to be solved and not ones that are semi made up. I also dont see Germans or Russians whining about being the bad guys in video games etc. Or children arguing they are underrepresented in action games (and if they are shown like in Skyrim they are annoying and stupid) Where are all the little kids in Call of Duty? I mean even Dogs are more represented in COD Ghosts or as passive "atmosphere things" in Bf3 etc.



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generic-user-1 said:

she scams money from kickstarter, steals from letsplays, lies about her gaming past, lies about aspects in games.

and her argumentation is just stupid.     i dont think anybody has a problem with a good talk about women in gaming.

anitas videos are like those fps make children go kill comments, thats the problem.

i dont have a problem with the issue, i have a problem with the person and her videos. those are not good for women who realy look for a good discussion.


I don't know enough about Anita personally to say if your accusations are true but other than lying about games, none of that is really relevant to the arguments shes making in her videos. And if she is making a killing on youtube, I say good for her. In a world where people like pewdiepie can make millions, why shouldn't she be making money? Shes actually putting out thought provoking content as opposed to the iq destroying content that is so common on youtube.

I'm not sure I understand your analogy to the fps make children kill comments. I understand why gamers hate when people claim that games are responsible for crazy people doing crazy things but that is totally different from what Sarkeesian is doing in her videos. She isn't calling for legislation to ban sexist video games she is just bringing to light examples of sexism in games. And as she says in most of her videos "It is entirely possible to enjoy a peice of media while also criticizing it's more pernicious elements." I think that may be the root of the problem. People seem to think Sarkeesian is asking them to feel guilty for enjoying video games and noone likes being asked to feel guilty about their hobby. Shes not asking anyone to feel guilty, she really is just pointing out lazy tropes in video games. This can only be a good thing. I hope game developers get more creative and stop relying on the same tired tropes.



Mr.Playstation said:

Thank you for your opinion and while I do agree with you on certain expects especially on what you said on the first and final paragrapgh. I do not agree though that woman are underrepresented in gaming and neither does Anita as it seems, she is however trying to change as you said how woman are represented in gaming and if she kept how woman are represented sexually in games I would have agreed with her, (We have problems in games when it comes to this) but when she talked about how woman should not be dansal in distresses ( Which if I am not mistaken was her first video ) I had to disagree with her. One has to also see the real world for this, Woman are weaker than men in physical strenght and so therefore they require more protection and so if we take video games as physical extensions I don't see how this can change. 

 

Yes, women are physically weaker than men, that is (generally) true, but I don't think that necessarily equates to them needing more protection since most fights in video games aren't really a battle of who is phsically stronger. 

However, I think Anita Sarkeesian is trying to make the case that the way women are represented in games has implications in the real world. This is probably the most controversial aspect of her argument since a lot of people will say its just games, its not that serious, but I'm not a woman, I can't really say if these things have an affect, I can only listen. I've seen women say that it doesn't bother them at all, but I have also seen other woman who say that it is a problem. Which group is right and which is wrong? Who is to say they aren't both right?

If I had any criticism of Sarkeesian it would be that she doesn't spend much time addressing positive portayals of women in gaming. She would do well to not just give examples of the negative but to also maybe make sepereate episodes that talk about what portrayals she has enjoyed. On her channel she does this for movies and tv so I'm not sure why she doesn't do the same for games.



wilco said:
generic-user-1 said:

she scams money from kickstarter, steals from letsplays, lies about her gaming past, lies about aspects in games.

and her argumentation is just stupid.     i dont think anybody has a problem with a good talk about women in gaming.

anitas videos are like those fps make children go kill comments, thats the problem.

i dont have a problem with the issue, i have a problem with the person and her videos. those are not good for women who realy look for a good discussion.


I don't know enough about Anita personally to say if your accusations are true but other than lying about games, none of that is really relevant to the arguments shes making in her videos. And if she is making a killing on youtube, I say good for her. In a world where people like pewdiepie can make millions, why shouldn't she be making money? Shes actually putting out thought provoking content as opposed to the iq destroying content that is so common on youtube.

I'm not sure I understand your analogy to the fps make children kill comments. I understand why gamers hate when people claim that games are responsible for crazy people doing crazy things but that is totally different from what Sarkeesian is doing in her videos. She isn't calling for legislation to ban sexist video games she is just bringing to light examples of sexism in games. And as she says in most of her videos "It is entirely possible to enjoy a peice of media while also criticizing it's more pernicious elements." I think that may be the root of the problem. People seem to think Sarkeesian is asking them to feel guilty for enjoying video games and noone likes being asked to feel guilty about their hobby. Shes not asking anyone to feel guilty, she really is just pointing out lazy tropes in video games. This can only be a good thing. I hope game developers get more creative and stop relying on the same tired tropes.


she is lying in her videos to make games and gamer look bad, and she scamed good people out of 1000ths of dollar.

do we need videos about sexisms in gaming and the gaing community? yes, do we need anitas stupid lies? no.

im playing a lot of video games with a  female friend, she has no problem with sexism in videogames, she has the problem with sexism in the videogame community.   its all stupid whiteknighting or herassment what she gets in multiplayer if someone sees that she is female.

we had to  stop letting people on our ts server, because everytime we invite our teammates to it, there were problems.

THATs the real problem.



JazzB1987 said:

Well I dont know who wants games to be taken seriously I dont know what the advantage of that would be but making mountains out of molehills certainly does not help here at all.

There is bigger problems to be solved and not ones that are semi made up. I also dont see Germans or Russians whining about being the bad guys in video games etc. Or children arguing they are underrepresented in action games (and if they are shown like in Skyrim they are annoying and stupid) Where are all the little kids in Call of Duty? I mean even Dogs are more represented in COD Ghosts or as passive "atmosphere things" in Bf3 etc.

All she did was make youtube videos. How is that "making a mountain out of a molehill"?

If she is making a mountain out of a molehill then what are the people who are sending her death threats doing? The same people who are claiming that this isn't that big a deal are the same people who can't stop talking about how passionately they hate Sarkeesian. Clearly this is pretty serious if it inflames such passion in people. Is sexism in gaming the biggest most important problem our planet faces today? Of course not, but it is the topic she has chosen to address and it isn't any less valid than any other topic of discussion just because it isn't the most important issue of our time.

Just because a group of people isn't "whining" about something doesn't mean that the thing is not a problem either. And are you really serious about children in action games? Children should not be playing M rated games to begin with so they can't be "underrepresented" as they are not a part of that audience in the first place. Why would you choose children as your example? What a strange choice. Even if children as a group had a reason to complain about their portrayal I still don't see how that has anything to do with Sarkeesian's message.



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generic-user-1 said:

she is lying in her videos to make games and gamer look bad, and she scamed good people out of 1000ths of dollar.

do we need videos about sexisms in gaming and the gaing community? yes, do we need anitas stupid lies? no.

im playing a lot of video games with a  female friend, she has no problem with sexism in videogames, she has the problem with sexism in the videogame community.   its all stupid whiteknighting or herassment what she gets in multiplayer if someone sees that she is female.

we had to  stop letting people on our ts server, because everytime we invite our teammates to it, there were problems.

THATs the real problem.


Do you have examples of her lies?



wilco said:
generic-user-1 said:

she is lying in her videos to make games and gamer look bad, and she scamed good people out of 1000ths of dollar.

do we need videos about sexisms in gaming and the gaing community? yes, do we need anitas stupid lies? no.

im playing a lot of video games with a  female friend, she has no problem with sexism in videogames, she has the problem with sexism in the videogame community.   its all stupid whiteknighting or herassment what she gets in multiplayer if someone sees that she is female.

we had to  stop letting people on our ts server, because everytime we invite our teammates to it, there were problems.

THATs the real problem.


Do you have examples of her lies?

u havnt played hitmen, or havnt seen her videos^^ the whole part is a lie...



Who's she?



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Who's she?

I don't think you really want to know.. :S



                
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The_Sony_Girl1 said:
Who's she?

She is a person who using kickstarter money made a channel on Youtube called feminist frequency, were she talks about how woman are misinterpreted in gaming. She is now reaping the benifits of taking a controversial subject such as this head on. 



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