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Nintentacle on 01 September 2014
Soriku said:
steverhcp02 said:
In 50 years we will be arguing about something else. The same as Galileo and his bros caught shit from the church. Now this is the next step. I mean people who believe in facts and science don't have an answer to some questions but they don't make something up. They are content saying "I don't know". The problem is people that simply can't accept "we just are because we are" are the ones that need faith or some sense of greater purpose which is what pulls them to faith. It is simply denial in the grandest sense.

People that point to god have a built in wild card. When challenged for proof they get to say "god, next question" When we have carbon dating and analysis that tells us the universe is 15 billion years (forgive me if im off im drinking grown up beverages) and fossils, DNA/RNA protein synthesis all of which is ignored in holy books we have enough science to try to learn and build knowledge. I mean people that actually study religion and philosophy (which is strangely most often people that aren't religious) see parallels from scripture that mimic needs or social policy of the times.

I find it peculiar that God had no problem possessing and talking to people throughout the times of scripture but is lacking recently. Unless you count the lady who drives her three children into a lake and kills them because God told her.....sounds similar to abraham but i digress.

Look back throughout history. Show me one instance where the church prevailed over free thinkers not bound to the notion that searching for answers is blasphemous in an obvious attempt to hold power, money and influence.

I get you people want to feel important but some we simply aren't meant for some higher purpose. Sorry, you will die, it will go black, and the world will forget you. The sooner you come to terms with it the better.


I don't really understand the greater purpose that religious people derive from being religious. Being a worshipper makes you fulfilled? A great purpose in your life is setting yourself up for your next life? What? What will be your purpose in heaven then? Is there an after-after life you're going to strive for? Heaven is supposed to be filled with pleasures, but what if I have enough pleasure and am fulfilled enough here on Earth?

You have a number of reasons to live here on Earth, and you can create your own goals too. These goals can give your life purpose, if you really need one. Whatever you enjoy can be enough motivation to live too. Worshipping a god and setting yourself up for another life just seem like superfluous reasons. From my point of view these aren't 'greater' purposes at all or even sufficiently satisfy a reason to live. Even if god and the afterlife are real, how do these things make you feel important?

On god's method of communication, it's peculiar that the best God Almighty has got is some text on scrolls. For such an important message, you'd think he'd do better if he were real. And with the Christian god, everything seems to be focused on just the Middle East.

Well, your purpose at the end of the end times would be to judge the world (Not everyone, but some people). After that, I would assume It's just eternal peace. You would strive for that because it beats being tormented in Hell, and the pleasures of Heaven are much better than Earth. I'd make you feel important because most people don't get to go to Heaven.

As for the Middle East thing, that's where Israel is, which is pretty important concerning the Bible and the end times.



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NobleTeam360 on 01 September 2014

I always wondered why people spouted out theories as fact. (I guess the word Theory doesn't mean much to them)



Aura7541 on 01 September 2014
NobleTeam360 said:
I always wondered why people spouted out theories as fact. (I guess the word Theory doesn't mean much to them)

In science, you don't draw an unsubstantiated conclusion from the start and then, look for "facts" that support the conclusion. You first ask yourself a question on a specific topic and form a hypothesis on it. Then, you test your hypothesis with experiments. You collect the data and analyze it to see if it supports or doesn't support your hypothesis. Even if your results support your hypothesis, you don't stop there. More questions will arise and thus, more hypotheses will be tested.



NobleTeam360 on 01 September 2014
Aura7541 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
I always wondered why people spouted out theories as fact. (I guess the word Theory doesn't mean much to them)

In science, you don't draw an unsubstantiated conclusion from the start and then, look for "facts" that support the conclusion. You first ask yourself a question on a specific topic and form a hypothesis on it. Then, you test your hypothesis with experiments. You collect the data and analyze it to see if it supports or doesn't support your hypothesis. Even if your results support your hypothesis, you don't stop there. More questions will arise and thus, more hypotheses will be tested.

I'm well aware of the scientific method, thank you. 



McGilliguts on 01 September 2014

God belief is foolish and primitive. Let's be honest here. We all know that Jesus isn't real, but some of us need the emotional crutch to deal with the uncertainty and tragedy of life.



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OoSnap on 01 September 2014

The Big Bang foolishness http://youtu.be/3YcGXZD2jmY



SvennoJ on 02 September 2014

Religion has served its purpose during evolution of the mind. Consciousness' main task is to reduce the information load and provide simple abstract concepts that you can work with. Those that spend too much time wondering about the why, didn't have time to think about the more important stuff, like day to day survival. File everything not needed atm under external forces cleans up a whole load of cognitive processes.

Looking at that big bang foolishness video it's still relevant today. It seems to say why bother with the why, too hard to understand, too much work to get yourself informed, no final answers anyway, just go with God and have time for more important stuff. And why not, stay connected with your neighborhood by going to church and participate in charity events, instead of spending your time learning the more intricate details of genetic switches and the current research into RNA formation.

Anyway the big bang theory and evolution are 2 different things, the formation of the solar system yet another. It's easy to point out the as yet unknowns in each field. Yet what is known today presents a far more consistent story overall, backed by observable evidence.

One other funny thing that occurred to me from this thread. "It was too warm on early earth for life" vs "Global warming is no problem, it has been far hotter on earth in the past"



Nem on 02 September 2014

Ok, i tried but i dont have time to finish reading this thread atm, but i want to comment on one idea going about to defend creationism, wich that something cant come out of nothing.

The problem here is the concept of Nothing. What is nothing? There is no nothing in the universe. You go into space and there is dark matter and/or dark energy everywhere. This nothingness is not something we really know. What was before the big bang? We dont know. You seem to think science says that there was nothing, but that simply isnt true.
There was something on the sub atomic level that created the big bang. Creation doesnt necessarely start with the big bang, but it is obvious that at one point we will reach either a string of infinites or a something out of nothing, though nothing is something we imagine as an abstract meaning that existance simply always existed in a limbo of existance and non-existance, in embryonic stage lets say. These are both concepts difficult for our brains to accept, due to the way it structures itself. The answer is not something we are naturally equiped to understand, but the answer whatever it is, we dont know yet. Spouting God or the easter bunny simply isnt an answer, nor does it solve the problem.



JoeAncelotti on 02 September 2014

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Torillian on 02 September 2014
Kyuu said:
Torillian said:
Kyuu said:


That's like saying... "what was there before Time?"

God is in definition.. the -pre-beginning.. the first cause, the origin of all things. This "origin-of-all-things" having a mind of its own, is what people refer to as God. So your question isn't a very smart one IF it is meant to refute God as an entity.


Can you see how annoying that answer is to someone scietifically minded though?  Basically everything has to follow logic except when it gets to a religious answer.  You follow the rules of logical debate right up until you can't without losing and then you simply define god in a way that "wins" you the argument.  It's like we're playing checkers and when I make my move you grab the gameboard, smash it on the table, and say god created the big bang.  


I didn't say that God exists. The First Cause is too strong an argument to be minimized to religion.

But what I wrote was quite straightforward yet you somehow still managed to misinterpret it.. The Big Bang is scientifically insufficient to prove or disprove the existence of God. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.. this applies to both the Atheists that reject God and Theists who accept him.

Faust asked a self defeating question "Who created God?" to which I replied that this very recurring statement holds no merit ("IF it was meant to refute God" Hence not refuting him doesn't necessarily make him existent) Because the exact same thing can be asked about unconsciousness creating life. You seem to have misinterpretted this into my proof that God exists and declaration of "winning"

With what other word than "bigoted" would you describe someone who is "very annoyed" by a pure agnostic standpoint?

I understand that you weren't making the argument, but it is used quite often to get out of the idea that God needs a creator, giving him special rules.  Basically everything has to have a creator until you get to God and then "poof" that rule no longer applies.  It's an irritating rational that forces atheists to come up with an answer to everything while the religious already think they have it.  The correct answer is "we don't know" for many of these answers but that just doesn't satisfy some.  Apparently we have to know the answer to everything right now or God did it.  The neutral answer to many is that God exists and then must be disproven, which is just ridiculous.

btw, calling me a bigot by using quotes doesn't get you a free pass on flaming people.  I'd keep that in mind for the future and if you can't participate in these threads without insulting someone I'd suggest not participating.  



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