Ok, i tried but i dont have time to finish reading this thread atm, but i want to comment on one idea going about to defend creationism, wich that something cant come out of nothing.
The problem here is the concept of Nothing. What is nothing? There is no nothing in the universe. You go into space and there is dark matter and/or dark energy everywhere. This nothingness is not something we really know. What was before the big bang? We dont know. You seem to think science says that there was nothing, but that simply isnt true.
There was something on the sub atomic level that created the big bang. Creation doesnt necessarely start with the big bang, but it is obvious that at one point we will reach either a string of infinites or a something out of nothing, though nothing is something we imagine as an abstract meaning that existance simply always existed in a limbo of existance and non-existance, in embryonic stage lets say. These are both concepts difficult for our brains to accept, due to the way it structures itself. The answer is not something we are naturally equiped to understand, but the answer whatever it is, we dont know yet. Spouting God or the easter bunny simply isnt an answer, nor does it solve the problem.
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