Kyuu said:
Torillian said:
Kyuu said:
That's like saying... "what was there before Time?"
God is in definition.. the -pre-beginning.. the first cause, the origin of all things. This "origin-of-all-things" having a mind of its own, is what people refer to as God. So your question isn't a very smart one IF it is meant to refute God as an entity.
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Can you see how annoying that answer is to someone scietifically minded though? Basically everything has to follow logic except when it gets to a religious answer. You follow the rules of logical debate right up until you can't without losing and then you simply define god in a way that "wins" you the argument. It's like we're playing checkers and when I make my move you grab the gameboard, smash it on the table, and say god created the big bang.
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I didn't say that God exists. The First Cause is too strong an argument to be minimized to religion.
But what I wrote was quite straightforward yet you somehow still managed to misinterpret it.. The Big Bang is scientifically insufficient to prove or disprove the existence of God. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.. this applies to both the Atheists that reject God and Theists who accept him.
Faust asked a self defeating question "Who created God?" to which I replied that this very recurring statement holds no merit ("IF it was meant to refute God" Hence not refuting him doesn't necessarily make him existent) Because the exact same thing can be asked about unconsciousness creating life. You seem to have misinterpretted this into my proof that God exists and declaration of "winning"
With what other word than "bigoted" would you describe someone who is "very annoyed" by a pure agnostic standpoint?
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I understand that you weren't making the argument, but it is used quite often to get out of the idea that God needs a creator, giving him special rules. Basically everything has to have a creator until you get to God and then "poof" that rule no longer applies. It's an irritating rational that forces atheists to come up with an answer to everything while the religious already think they have it. The correct answer is "we don't know" for many of these answers but that just doesn't satisfy some. Apparently we have to know the answer to everything right now or God did it. The neutral answer to many is that God exists and then must be disproven, which is just ridiculous.
btw, calling me a bigot by using quotes doesn't get you a free pass on flaming people. I'd keep that in mind for the future and if you can't participate in these threads without insulting someone I'd suggest not participating.
