The only people grasping at straws are the developers trying to find non gimmicky ways to use the touchpad. I played infamous second son and they had me using the touchpad for some fingerprint nonsense that could have easily been mapped to a button. That kind of silliness only goes to show that most of these devs don't know what to do with it. Its presence on the front of the controller now makes hitting the options button more difficult than it needs to be. The poor options button is cramped into a corner where it can barely breathe just so that Sucker Punch can have me do pointless graffitti in their game. I know that you feel it's your job to defend every decision sony made, but I'm sorry, I just don't think the touchpad is in the right place. That isn't grasping for straws, thats an honest criticism. It is not easy enough to access that it can become viable as another inupt because in its current position it is actively battling for attention with buttons that pretty much all developers are more likely to focus on. If it was possible to use the touchpad simultaneously while still keeping your fingers on the face buttons and sticks then it would become a much more viable input option.

Really? I personally do not see/feel the difference outside of FPS games. I guess I am just odd lol.

Also I may be in the minority here(well me and my two closest friends) but I HATED the GC controller it made absolutely NO SENSE at all to me. That is literally the first controller I EVER hated only followed by the OG XB controller. Outside of those two I have never had an issue with any controller and I have some pretty big hands!

If its in the wrong place, where would you put it?

i have given you straight up examples that cant be remapped.  and you keep going back to infamous.   you ignore every legit arguement and just keep going back to "infamous could have remapped, its a gimick"    and saying a button cant breath? really?    its been used as a mouse,  for map scroll/zoom.  its going to be used extensively in LBP for object placement.   and developers are just starting to come up with these ideas.  your entire complaint is based on you thinking infamous could have remapped the buttons.

and change the click bait title already, you loose any kind of credibility while that stays up.

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My first thought was alt. account, fishing for drama.

I would put it on the back. 

I told you how I would remap KZ and I don't know what it is used for in Fifa. I've played 2 matches in Fifa on ps4 and I never once used the touchpad for anything so I'm not even sure what it is for.  Clearly it can't be that crucial since Fifa is also on three other touch pad free consoles and I'm sure it is still playable there. Map scroll/zoom was doable before touchpads, so that is not a great example either. And as long as developers are still putting games on the xb1, they will never take full advantage of the touchpad.

The square button isn't battling for attention with the stick because the stick has a completely different purpose from the buttons. The touchpad is either being used as a button or for the same thing the sticks are already being used for so in that sense it is battling for attention.

Oh right. That's interesting. Its not that huge of an issue for me but I can see why it would annoy some people. 

1)  fix your quote trees already.  Its bad enough you make a click bait thread,  atleast show curtesy to the posting rules.

2) on the back are you serious?   you just gave more credibility to flaming weasle and thats not a good thing.  in what world are you living in that the back would be anything close to a good idea?   "hmm lets put it on the back to that to use it you need to flip the controller backwards". 

3)   I like how you conveniently forget about sony exclusives,  which is has alot.   AAA devs arent the only one who has access to the touchpad.  indie devs are also making good use of it, and first parties will without a doubt be making full use. little big planet will be a great example of engenious use, and i cant wait to see what MM does with tearaway.     3rd party devs will make use of it with features that make our life easier, and providing more controls at given points.    and as for your killzone example, you gave a way that includes using buttoms that are already used up for other features.    Plus you conveniently just dropped and ignored any mention about how its used in warthunder or ff14

1. How are you criticizing me for quote trees while doing the same thing?

2. Why would you need to flip it over to use it? Plenty of modded controllers currently in existence put buttons on the back. I've never heard of anybody having to flip the controller over to use buttons on the back. 

3. I didn't forget sony exclusives, but Sony couldn't even make a convincing case for touchpad gaming on the vita, how the hell are they going to do it on the ps4? First party devs that have used it so far have only proven that sony didn't really have a plan other than throw it on there and see what sticks. Until there is an actual real life game that does something interesting with it, it will continue to be a gimmick, that only first party devs are using. Sony's biggest first party dev (ND) probably won't even bother with it. They have enough clout that they can generally ignore gimmicks and sony won't hassle them. 

1) facepalm...    every time i put a new post i look a the quote tree, and if there is more than 3, i cut it back.  Because that the acutally a rule.  its been less enforced with bans recently, buut its still on the books, ive seen people moderated for it, and the mods hate having to cut them for you.  youve been here a while im surprised you dont know this,  but then again im not.

2)  modded controllers..  a modded controller may come out at some point for the hardcore, but the general populus would not want one on the back.  and a touch pad is not buttons, it would make it very akward to get proper control of what you are doing.    there is a reason its not on the back and sony put actual money into figureing out that its not a good idea.

3) its not about making a game that is for the touchpad, its about finding creative ways to use its inputs to enhance gameplay.  This is a very simple and fundamental concept.  and you STILL ignore ff14 and warthunder,  i wonder how many times i can bring up their use until it takes you to actually acknowledge it.  its kind of getting funny at this point.   and naughty dog havent made a ps4 game yet.  sure they made TLOU:R.   but they specifically DIDNT CHANGE ANYTHING  when it came to gameplay,   they are not going to add a new input onto something when they are trying to keep the same experience + graphics.   The fact that you try to bring that up shows you either dont pay any attention to whats going on with sony gaming, or you are intentionally trying to troll.