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Teeqoz said:
Michael-5 said:
DerNebel said:
NiKKoM said:
pretty easy... you don't pay for online multiplayer... would you really pay twice for online multiplayer?

That is no reason. You can easily concentrate your online gaming on one console and have the other for the offline exclusives.

Exactly, concentrate your online gaming on the WiiU for free, save $50-$60 a year and then in 5 years get the 3rd system with the money you save


Yeah....Unless you know, you want to play more online than mariokart and smash bros.

Call of Duty

overman1 said:

I really really doubt if the WiiU is the best system for online gaming. No offense.

I agree, but if you only played a little at a time (maybe some Call of Duty now and then), WiiU isn't bad, just limited in terms of games.

last92 said:

Too bad that the majority of the best online games are not (and won't be) on the Wii U, right?

Last I checked it's not like Counter Strike was available on PS4/XB1 either. WiiU will still have most of the Call of Duty's, Metroid, Starfox, Mario Kart......what do people play online anyway (not really an online gamer except for maybe Halo/Gears).



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This depends on your taste

My favorite videogames are turn based strategy games, turn based rpg's, platformers and fighting games.

Before Steam I had a Playstation and PS2 for fighting games, now I don't need it anymore, although I may buy one because I really miss playing Virtua Fighter, but it is hard to justify a console for only one game.

If you really like first person shooters, you would probably prefer the Xbox one as a secondary console.



Michael-5 said:
DerNebel said:

You pretty much explained yourself why the choice of an X1 or PS4 as a secondary system will make more sense in the future, the games will be there in 4-5 years, every system will have build a respectable library of exclusive titles (or titles you can't play on the other 2 systems) that is probably comparable in size.

I added the 4-5 years part to avoid comments like yours, I don't care about what makes more sense right now, the majority of the market hasn't even bought their first next gen system, so they won't really think about what their secondary system will be.

Also regarding the bolded, that is you assuming that the Wii U will have more worthwile exclusive at the end of the gen, which I quite frankly do not see that way.

XB1/PS4 will have games in 4-5 years, but WiiU won't? Nintendo announced as many exclusive games for WiiU as there were announced for XB1/PS4 combined. Where's the logic in that? If Nintendo has the most now, and is announcing the most for the future, logic dictates that it will have the most in the end.

Regarding the bolded, how can you say this? If you go to metacritic you will clearly see that Wii had the most high rated exclusives of the generation. Below I made a table excluding remakes, collections, and HD ports of game from other gens (e.g. Call of Duty 2).

Score Wii PS3 360
90+ 8 8 8
85+ 16 17 14
80+ 32 27 23

Every system will have a respectable library of exclusives? Yes and no. Look at the 360, if you didn't like either Halo, Gears or Forza, you loose a huge chunk of the exclusive library. Meanwhile Nintendo and Sony have about 20 different IP's (i.e. you can love your WiiU without Zelda, PS3 without Uncharted).

----

So WiiU is still a better secondary console then the XB1/PS4. Not only will it likely have the most highly rated games, but for $100 less with free online (for the small library of online games) it's a bargin as well.

However I will admit that PS4 would make a good alternative to PS4, but not for the reasons you mention. PS4 is more known for JRPG's/Action games where XB is mostly shooters. For an XB1 fan to appreciate a PS4, he'd need a wide interest in genre's, and if he has that wide interest, then a WiiU would still likely make for a better option.

It's not a good way to start your post with something that simply is not true, go to this thread to get a general idea of what everyone has announced:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=188924&page=1

In no way has Nintendo announced even close to as many games as MS and Sony put together, keep in mind that for this thread I don't give a crap about things like "Oh, it's also on PC", this is a thread about secondary consoles, so all that matters is what is there on the other console that I can't play on the one I own right now. I also don't care about indie vs. retail game, an indie game can be as or even much more important or worthwile than a retail game e.g.  No Man's Sky is worth a lot more to me than Devil's Third.

And regarding your metacritic list, I find that a bit arbitrary, especially since you cut it off at 80. So things like all the versions of Wii Fit and EA Sports Active More Workouts are all worthwile, while Heavenly Sword, Yakuza 3 & 4, Tales of Xillia 1, SIREN Blood Curse, Gears Judgment, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia and ironically Your Shape Fitness Evolved aren't? So I maintain what I said, at the end of the gen all will have a comparable number of worthwile exclusives.



DerNebel said:
Michael-5 said:
DerNebel said:

You pretty much explained yourself why the choice of an X1 or PS4 as a secondary system will make more sense in the future, the games will be there in 4-5 years, every system will have build a respectable library of exclusive titles (or titles you can't play on the other 2 systems) that is probably comparable in size.

I added the 4-5 years part to avoid comments like yours, I don't care about what makes more sense right now, the majority of the market hasn't even bought their first next gen system, so they won't really think about what their secondary system will be.

Also regarding the bolded, that is you assuming that the Wii U will have more worthwile exclusive at the end of the gen, which I quite frankly do not see that way.

XB1/PS4 will have games in 4-5 years, but WiiU won't? Nintendo announced as many exclusive games for WiiU as there were announced for XB1/PS4 combined. Where's the logic in that? If Nintendo has the most now, and is announcing the most for the future, logic dictates that it will have the most in the end.

Regarding the bolded, how can you say this? If you go to metacritic you will clearly see that Wii had the most high rated exclusives of the generation. Below I made a table excluding remakes, collections, and HD ports of game from other gens (e.g. Call of Duty 2).

Score Wii PS3 360
90+ 8 8 8
85+ 16 17 14
80+ 32 27 23

Every system will have a respectable library of exclusives? Yes and no. Look at the 360, if you didn't like either Halo, Gears or Forza, you loose a huge chunk of the exclusive library. Meanwhile Nintendo and Sony have about 20 different IP's (i.e. you can love your WiiU without Zelda, PS3 without Uncharted).

----

So WiiU is still a better secondary console then the XB1/PS4. Not only will it likely have the most highly rated games, but for $100 less with free online (for the small library of online games) it's a bargin as well.

However I will admit that PS4 would make a good alternative to PS4, but not for the reasons you mention. PS4 is more known for JRPG's/Action games where XB is mostly shooters. For an XB1 fan to appreciate a PS4, he'd need a wide interest in genre's, and if he has that wide interest, then a WiiU would still likely make for a better option.

It's not a good way to start your post with something that simply is not true, go to this thread to get a general idea of what everyone has announced:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=188924&page=1

In no way has Nintendo announced even close to as many games as MS and Sony put together, keep in mind that for this thread I don't give a crap about things like "Oh, it's also on PC", this is a thread about secondary consoles, so all that matters is what is there on the other console that I can't play on the one I own right now. I also don't care about indie vs. retail game, an indie game can be as or even much more important or worthwile than a retail game e.g.  No Man's Sky is worth a lot more to me than Devil's Third.

And regarding your metacritic list, I find that a bit arbitrary, especially since you cut it off at 80. So things like all the versions of Wii Fit and EA Sports Active More Workouts are all worthwile, while Heavenly Sword, Yakuza 3 & 4, Tales of Xillia 1, SIREN Blood Curse, Gears Judgment, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia and ironically Your Shape Fitness Evolved aren't? So I maintain what I said, at the end of the gen all will have a comparable number of worthwile exclusives.

My list of highly rated games fromlast gen includes 360/PC games, I didn't discriminate. I even counted Kinect games. No Man's Sky is releasing retail is it not? I'm only counting games available at retail. Indie games do mean something, but I can't give as much hype for Resogun as I can for Uncharted.

As for the Metacritic list, I wanted to cut it off at 90+, but there wasn't a huge difference so I went down to 80. 80+ is highly rated, below that would be a B which is just above average. As for your examples, those are terrible Gears Judgement made me, a hardcore Gears fan, give up on the franchise. Heavenly Sword is a 5 hour game and Blue Dragon is meh. Wii Fit on the other hand is actually pretty fun, have you ever played it? It sold 20 million plus, I don't think it's a bad game.

Tales of Xillia and Vesperia deserve credit, Japanese RPG's often get lower metascores then they should, but the fact that they don't make the cut off would put XB360 is a worse position. Tales of Vesperia didn't make the cut, but neither did Fire Emblem, or Pandora's Tower for the Wii.

As for that link, so much wrong with what you said.

a) That list is not a list of every game announced at E3, it's a list of games total. I said at E3, Nintendo announced the most, meaning that they are taking on more and more new projects. Sony and XB announced about 16 retail games each, where Nintendo announced closer to 30.

b) That list includes a lot of hypothetical games. You can't count an "annanounced IP" or "Hiring AAA Devs with at Least 8  years of Experience" or "Retro Studio's next game" because you don't know if it's going to happen and when. I mean Black Tusk was suppost to make a new Halo-level IP and scrapped it for Gears.

c) Even if you take that list, scrap out games which haven't officially been announced, you will see WiiU still has the most coming.

XB1 - 11
PS4 - 13 (+2 Vita)
WiiU - 11 (+4 3DS).... and WOW they are missing a lot of WiiU games. Here's a list

Sonic Boom
Kirby
Project Guard
Project Giant Robot
Yoshi
Devil's Third
Fatal Frame V
Dragon Quest X (been talk about localization for WiiU with DLC)

Nintendo announced more games, I'd have to look some up, but for now I showed that WiiU is at 18 overall, which is about 1.5 times as much as PS4/XB1. See how WiiU is on top? Just like the Wii was?



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I've decided to get a second PS4... so i guess a PS4 is my primary and the better secondary console ;)



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Michael-5 said:
DerNebel said:
Michael-5 said:

XB1/PS4 will have games in 4-5 years, but WiiU won't? Nintendo announced as many exclusive games for WiiU as there were announced for XB1/PS4 combined. Where's the logic in that? If Nintendo has the most now, and is announcing the most for the future, logic dictates that it will have the most in the end.

Regarding the bolded, how can you say this? If you go to metacritic you will clearly see that Wii had the most high rated exclusives of the generation. Below I made a table excluding remakes, collections, and HD ports of game from other gens (e.g. Call of Duty 2).

Score Wii PS3 360
90+ 8 8 8
85+ 16 17 14
80+ 32 27 23

Every system will have a respectable library of exclusives? Yes and no. Look at the 360, if you didn't like either Halo, Gears or Forza, you loose a huge chunk of the exclusive library. Meanwhile Nintendo and Sony have about 20 different IP's (i.e. you can love your WiiU without Zelda, PS3 without Uncharted).

----

So WiiU is still a better secondary console then the XB1/PS4. Not only will it likely have the most highly rated games, but for $100 less with free online (for the small library of online games) it's a bargin as well.

However I will admit that PS4 would make a good alternative to PS4, but not for the reasons you mention. PS4 is more known for JRPG's/Action games where XB is mostly shooters. For an XB1 fan to appreciate a PS4, he'd need a wide interest in genre's, and if he has that wide interest, then a WiiU would still likely make for a better option.

It's not a good way to start your post with something that simply is not true, go to this thread to get a general idea of what everyone has announced:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=188924&page=1

In no way has Nintendo announced even close to as many games as MS and Sony put together, keep in mind that for this thread I don't give a crap about things like "Oh, it's also on PC", this is a thread about secondary consoles, so all that matters is what is there on the other console that I can't play on the one I own right now. I also don't care about indie vs. retail game, an indie game can be as or even much more important or worthwile than a retail game e.g.  No Man's Sky is worth a lot more to me than Devil's Third.

And regarding your metacritic list, I find that a bit arbitrary, especially since you cut it off at 80. So things like all the versions of Wii Fit and EA Sports Active More Workouts are all worthwile, while Heavenly Sword, Yakuza 3 & 4, Tales of Xillia 1, SIREN Blood Curse, Gears Judgment, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia and ironically Your Shape Fitness Evolved aren't? So I maintain what I said, at the end of the gen all will have a comparable number of worthwile exclusives.

My list of highly rated games fromlast gen includes 360/PC games, I didn't discriminate. I even counted Kinect games. No Man's Sky is releasing retail is it not? I'm only counting games available at retail. Indie games do mean something, but I can't give as much hype for Resogun as I can for Uncharted.

As for the Metacritic list, I wanted to cut it off at 90+, but there wasn't a huge difference so I went down to 80. 80+ is highly rated, below that would be a B which is just above average. As for your examples, those are terrible Gears Judgement made me, a hardcore Gears fan, give up on the franchise. Heavenly Sword is a 5 hour game and Blue Dragon is meh. Wii Fit on the other hand is actually pretty fun, have you ever played it? It sold 20 million plus, I don't think it's a bad game.

Tales of Xillia and Vesperia deserve credit, Japanese RPG's often get lower metascores then they should, but the fact that they don't make the cut off would put XB360 is a worse position. Tales of Vesperia didn't make the cut, but neither did Fire Emblem, or Pandora's Tower for the Wii.

As for that link, so much wrong with what you said.

a) That list is not a list of every game announced at E3, it's a list of games total. I said at E3, Nintendo announced the most, meaning that they are taking on more and more new projects. Sony and XB announced about 16 retail games each, where Nintendo announced closer to 30.

b) That list includes a lot of hypothetical games. You can't count an "annanounced IP" or "Hiring AAA Devs with at Least 8  years of Experience" or "Retro Studio's next game" because you don't know if it's going to happen and when. I mean Black Tusk was suppost to make a new Halo-level IP and scrapped it for Gears.

c) Even if you take that list, scrap out games which haven't officially been announced, you will see WiiU still has the most coming.

XB1 - 11
PS4 - 13 (+2 Vita)
WiiU - 11 (+4 3DS).... and WOW they are missing a lot of WiiU games. Here's a list

Sonic Boom
Kirby
Project Guard
Project Giant Robot
Yoshi
Devil's Third
Fatal Frame V
Dragon Quest X (been talk about localization for WiiU with DLC)

Nintendo announced more games, I'd have to look some up, but for now I showed that WiiU is at 18 overall, which is about 1.5 times as much as PS4/XB1. See how WiiU is on top? Just like the Wii was?

I'm not gonna answer your whole post, but you have most definitely not said announced at E3, you said announced. Also at what E3 has Nintendo announced 30 retail Wii U games? And 16 from MS and Sony each? What are you talking about?

And how on earth do you get only 13 PS4 titles from that list?

No word about a No Man's Sky retail release.



Michael-5 said:
DerNebel said:
Michael-5 said:

It's not a good way to start your post with something that simply is not true, go to this thread to get a general idea of what everyone has announced:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=188924&page=1

In no way has Nintendo announced even close to as many games as MS and Sony put together, keep in mind that for this thread I don't give a crap about things like "Oh, it's also on PC", this is a thread about secondary consoles, so all that matters is what is there on the other console that I can't play on the one I own right now. I also don't care about indie vs. retail game, an indie game can be as or even much more important or worthwile than a retail game e.g.  No Man's Sky is worth a lot more to me than Devil's Third.

And regarding your metacritic list, I find that a bit arbitrary, especially since you cut it off at 80. So things like all the versions of Wii Fit and EA Sports Active More Workouts are all worthwile, while Heavenly Sword, Yakuza 3 & 4, Tales of Xillia 1, SIREN Blood Curse, Gears Judgment, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia and ironically Your Shape Fitness Evolved aren't? So I maintain what I said, at the end of the gen all will have a comparable number of worthwile exclusives.

My list of highly rated games fromlast gen includes 360/PC games, I didn't discriminate. I even counted Kinect games. No Man's Sky is releasing retail is it not? I'm only counting games available at retail. Indie games do mean something, but I can't give as much hype for Resogun as I can for Uncharted.

As for the Metacritic list, I wanted to cut it off at 90+, but there wasn't a huge difference so I went down to 80. 80+ is highly rated, below that would be a B which is just above average. As for your examples, those are terrible Gears Judgement made me, a hardcore Gears fan, give up on the franchise. Heavenly Sword is a 5 hour game and Blue Dragon is meh. Wii Fit on the other hand is actually pretty fun, have you ever played it? It sold 20 million plus, I don't think it's a bad game.

Tales of Xillia and Vesperia deserve credit, Japanese RPG's often get lower metascores then they should, but the fact that they don't make the cut off would put XB360 is a worse position. Tales of Vesperia didn't make the cut, but neither did Fire Emblem, or Pandora's Tower for the Wii.

As for that link, so much wrong with what you said.

a) That list is not a list of every game announced at E3, it's a list of games total. I said at E3, Nintendo announced the most, meaning that they are taking on more and more new projects. Sony and XB announced about 16 retail games each, where Nintendo announced closer to 30.

b) That list includes a lot of hypothetical games. You can't count an "annanounced IP" or "Hiring AAA Devs with at Least 8  years of Experience" or "Retro Studio's next game" because you don't know if it's going to happen and when. I mean Black Tusk was suppost to make a new Halo-level IP and scrapped it for Gears.

c) Even if you take that list, scrap out games which haven't officially been announced, you will see WiiU still has the most coming.

XB1 - 11
PS4 - 13 (+2 Vita)
WiiU - 11 (+4 3DS).... and WOW they are missing a lot of WiiU games. Here's a list

Sonic Boom
Kirby
Project Guard
Project Giant Robot
Yoshi
Devil's Third
Fatal Frame V
Dragon Quest X (been talk about localization for WiiU with DLC)

Nintendo announced more games, I'd have to look some up, but for now I showed that WiiU is at 18 overall, which is about 1.5 times as much as PS4/XB1. See how WiiU is on top? Just like the Wii was?

Really getting anoying all the fanboys adding unanounced games on list to prove a point. The other consoles also have unanaunced games so then they complain why theirs deserves to be on the list and yours dosent. So I agree with you there, is better for nobody to use an unanaunced game. 

Anybody debating that MS has close the amount of exclusives as nintendo is delusional. Like it matters since they are all shooters mostly. Second place is for sony in the amount of exclusive. But on diversity they are pretty even with nintendo. Higher rated is complicated, cuz nintendo does trhrow out a lot of games, a lot of crap and a lot of good ones, sony mostly gives out good ones so its pretty even. MS fails at all, amount, diversity and higher rated.



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DerNebel said:
Michael-5 said:

My list of highly rated games fromlast gen includes 360/PC games, I didn't discriminate. I even counted Kinect games. No Man's Sky is releasing retail is it not? I'm only counting games available at retail. Indie games do mean something, but I can't give as much hype for Resogun as I can for Uncharted.

As for the Metacritic list, I wanted to cut it off at 90+, but there wasn't a huge difference so I went down to 80. 80+ is highly rated, below that would be a B which is just above average. As for your examples, those are terrible Gears Judgement made me, a hardcore Gears fan, give up on the franchise. Heavenly Sword is a 5 hour game and Blue Dragon is meh. Wii Fit on the other hand is actually pretty fun, have you ever played it? It sold 20 million plus, I don't think it's a bad game.

Tales of Xillia and Vesperia deserve credit, Japanese RPG's often get lower metascores then they should, but the fact that they don't make the cut off would put XB360 is a worse position. Tales of Vesperia didn't make the cut, but neither did Fire Emblem, or Pandora's Tower for the Wii.

As for that link, so much wrong with what you said.

a) That list is not a list of every game announced at E3, it's a list of games total. I said at E3, Nintendo announced the most, meaning that they are taking on more and more new projects. Sony and XB announced about 16 retail games each, where Nintendo announced closer to 30.

b) That list includes a lot of hypothetical games. You can't count an "annanounced IP" or "Hiring AAA Devs with at Least 8  years of Experience" or "Retro Studio's next game" because you don't know if it's going to happen and when. I mean Black Tusk was suppost to make a new Halo-level IP and scrapped it for Gears.

c) Even if you take that list, scrap out games which haven't officially been announced, you will see WiiU still has the most coming.

XB1 - 11
PS4 - 13 (+2 Vita)
WiiU - 11 (+4 3DS).... and WOW they are missing a lot of WiiU games. Here's a list

Sonic Boom
Kirby
Project Guard
Project Giant Robot
Yoshi
Devil's Third
Fatal Frame V
Dragon Quest X (been talk about localization for WiiU with DLC)

Nintendo announced more games, I'd have to look some up, but for now I showed that WiiU is at 18 overall, which is about 1.5 times as much as PS4/XB1. See how WiiU is on top? Just like the Wii was?

I'm not gonna answer your whole post, but you have most definitely not said announced at E3, you said announced. Also at what E3 has Nintendo announced 30 retail Wii U games? And 16 from MS and Sony each? What are you talking about?

And how on earth do you get only 13 PS4 titles from that list?

No word about a No Man's Sky retail release.

Bold: You're right, my bad. I still have E3 in my head. I remember after E3 I counted all the retail games, but I'd have to look back at an old post to find it. Nintendo announced a lot of retail games which don't get much press. e.g. Prof Layton vs. Phoenix Wright was announced for localization at E3, it's not on that list. It releases in a week. Art Acadamy is a retail game which was announced too.

As for 13 PS4 games, I didn't include digital games.

Bloodborne
Deep Down
DriveClub
Everyone's Gone to Rapture
LBP3
MLB: The Show
Ratchet & Clank
Singstar
The Order: 1886
The Last Guardian
Uncharted 5
Until Dawn

now I only have 12....hm...I think I counted InFamous DLC by mistake earlier.

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The answer to this thread however has been "It depends on your interests." WiiU is not going to appeal much to people who don't like Platformers/JRPG's/Miscellaneous, PS4 won't appeal much to people who don't like Action/Adventure games, and XB1 won't appeal much to people who don't like Shooters.

Personally I think because Nintendo's exclusives are so different from the exclusives that XB1/PS4 offer, along with the 3rd party games, and because Nintendo will have the most exclusives, WiiU is the best bet. However not everyone like Zelda, Starfox or XenoBlade, maybe that PS4 owner just wants some Halo and maybe that 360 owner wants some Gran Turismo.

To each their own, but Nintendo does offer the most in terms of quality and quantity for exclusives.

eva01beserk said:

Really getting anoying all the fanboys adding unanounced games on list to prove a point. The other consoles also have unanaunced games so then they complain why theirs deserves to be on the list and yours dosent. So I agree with you there, is better for nobody to use an unanaunced game. 

Anybody debating that MS has close the amount of exclusives as nintendo is delusional. Like it matters since they are all shooters mostly. Second place is for sony in the amount of exclusive. But on diversity they are pretty even with nintendo. Higher rated is complicated, cuz nintendo does trhrow out a lot of games, a lot of crap and a lot of good ones, sony mostly gives out good ones so its pretty even. MS fails at all, amount, diversity and higher rated.

Well said, I 100% agree.

Had I made the cut-off 95+/100, only Nintendo and Sony would be worth looking at. Nintendo and Sony both have 3 95+ exclusives (Super Mario's are each 97, Uncharted 2 is 96, and Zelda/LBP/TLoU are 95). Meanwhile the highest scored 360 game are Halo/Gears of War at 94.

Then again, if you specifically like Halo/Gears (like I do), they might be more important to you then TLoU or Mario, so at the end of the day it all really depends on what you want.



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eva01beserk said:
Michael-5 said:
DerNebel said:

It's not a good way to start your post with something that simply is not true, go to this thread to get a general idea of what everyone has announced:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=188924&page=1

In no way has Nintendo announced even close to as many games as MS and Sony put together, keep in mind that for this thread I don't give a crap about things like "Oh, it's also on PC", this is a thread about secondary consoles, so all that matters is what is there on the other console that I can't play on the one I own right now. I also don't care about indie vs. retail game, an indie game can be as or even much more important or worthwile than a retail game e.g.  No Man's Sky is worth a lot more to me than Devil's Third.

And regarding your metacritic list, I find that a bit arbitrary, especially since you cut it off at 80. So things like all the versions of Wii Fit and EA Sports Active More Workouts are all worthwile, while Heavenly Sword, Yakuza 3 & 4, Tales of Xillia 1, SIREN Blood Curse, Gears Judgment, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia and ironically Your Shape Fitness Evolved aren't? So I maintain what I said, at the end of the gen all will have a comparable number of worthwile exclusives.

My list of highly rated games fromlast gen includes 360/PC games, I didn't discriminate. I even counted Kinect games. No Man's Sky is releasing retail is it not? I'm only counting games available at retail. Indie games do mean something, but I can't give as much hype for Resogun as I can for Uncharted.

As for the Metacritic list, I wanted to cut it off at 90+, but there wasn't a huge difference so I went down to 80. 80+ is highly rated, below that would be a B which is just above average. As for your examples, those are terrible Gears Judgement made me, a hardcore Gears fan, give up on the franchise. Heavenly Sword is a 5 hour game and Blue Dragon is meh. Wii Fit on the other hand is actually pretty fun, have you ever played it? It sold 20 million plus, I don't think it's a bad game.

Tales of Xillia and Vesperia deserve credit, Japanese RPG's often get lower metascores then they should, but the fact that they don't make the cut off would put XB360 is a worse position. Tales of Vesperia didn't make the cut, but neither did Fire Emblem, or Pandora's Tower for the Wii.

As for that link, so much wrong with what you said.

a) That list is not a list of every game announced at E3, it's a list of games total. I said at E3, Nintendo announced the most, meaning that they are taking on more and more new projects. Sony and XB announced about 16 retail games each, where Nintendo announced closer to 30.

b) That list includes a lot of hypothetical games. You can't count an "annanounced IP" or "Hiring AAA Devs with at Least 8  years of Experience" or "Retro Studio's next game" because you don't know if it's going to happen and when. I mean Black Tusk was suppost to make a new Halo-level IP and scrapped it for Gears.

c) Even if you take that list, scrap out games which haven't officially been announced, you will see WiiU still has the most coming.

XB1 - 11
PS4 - 13 (+2 Vita)
WiiU - 11 (+4 3DS).... and WOW they are missing a lot of WiiU games. Here's a list

Sonic Boom
Kirby
Project Guard
Project Giant Robot
Yoshi
Devil's Third
Fatal Frame V
Dragon Quest X (been talk about localization for WiiU with DLC)

Nintendo announced more games, I'd have to look some up, but for now I showed that WiiU is at 18 overall, which is about 1.5 times as much as PS4/XB1. See how WiiU is on top? Just like the Wii was?

Really getting anoying all the fanboys adding unanounced games on list to prove a point. The other consoles also have unanaunced games so then they complain why theirs deserves to be on the list and yours dosent. So I agree with you there, is better for nobody to use an unanaunced game. 

Anybody debating that MS has close the amount of exclusives as nintendo is delusional. Like it matters since they are all shooters mostly. Second place is for sony in the amount of exclusive. But on diversity they are pretty even with nintendo. Higher rated is complicated, cuz nintendo does trhrow out a lot of games, a lot of crap and a lot of good ones, sony mostly gives out good ones so its pretty even. MS fails at all, amount, diversity and higher rated.

Just in case I meant by fail as that they came in last place. But they do have great games and if someone wants them as a secondary console for them thats great. I do not mean the xbox as a console have failed in any way.  Just avoiding some famboy rage.



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