"The Wii U is a better secondary console than the X1/PS4"

[Michael-5]

DerNebel said:

Michael-5 said:

DerNebel said:

You pretty much explained yourself why the choice of an X1 or PS4 as a secondary system will make more sense in the future, the games will be there in 4-5 years, every system will have build a respectable library of exclusive titles (or titles you can't play on the other 2 systems) that is probably comparable in size.

I added the 4-5 years part to avoid comments like yours, I don't care about what makes more sense right now, the majority of the market hasn't even bought their first next gen system, so they won't really think about what their secondary system will be.

Also regarding the bolded, that is you assuming that the Wii U will have more worthwile exclusive at the end of the gen, which I quite frankly do not see that way.

XB1/PS4 will have games in 4-5 years, but WiiU won't? Nintendo announced as many exclusive games for WiiU as there were announced for XB1/PS4 combined. Where's the logic in that? If Nintendo has the most now, and is announcing the most for the future, logic dictates that it will have the most in the end.

Regarding the bolded, how can you say this? If you go to metacritic you will clearly see that Wii had the most high rated exclusives of the generation. Below I made a table excluding remakes, collections, and HD ports of game from other gens (e.g. Call of Duty 2).

Score	Wii	PS3	360
90+	8	8	8
85+	16	17	14
80+	32	27	23

Every system will have a respectable library of exclusives? Yes and no. Look at the 360, if you didn't like either Halo, Gears or Forza, you loose a huge chunk of the exclusive library. Meanwhile Nintendo and Sony have about 20 different IP's (i.e. you can love your WiiU without Zelda, PS3 without Uncharted).

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So WiiU is still a better secondary console then the XB1/PS4. Not only will it likely have the most highly rated games, but for $100 less with free online (for the small library of online games) it's a bargin as well.

However I will admit that PS4 would make a good alternative to PS4, but not for the reasons you mention. PS4 is more known for JRPG's/Action games where XB is mostly shooters. For an XB1 fan to appreciate a PS4, he'd need a wide interest in genre's, and if he has that wide interest, then a WiiU would still likely make for a better option.

It's not a good way to start your post with something that simply is not true, go to this thread to get a general idea of what everyone has announced:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=188924&page=1

In no way has Nintendo announced even close to as many games as MS and Sony put together, keep in mind that for this thread I don't give a crap about things like "Oh, it's also on PC", this is a thread about secondary consoles, so all that matters is what is there on the other console that I can't play on the one I own right now. I also don't care about indie vs. retail game, an indie game can be as or even much more important or worthwile than a retail game e.g.  No Man's Sky is worth a lot more to me than Devil's Third.

And regarding your metacritic list, I find that a bit arbitrary, especially since you cut it off at 80. So things like all the versions of Wii Fit and EA Sports Active More Workouts are all worthwile, while Heavenly Sword, Yakuza 3 & 4, Tales of Xillia 1, SIREN Blood Curse, Gears Judgment, Blue Dragon, Tales of Vesperia and ironically Your Shape Fitness Evolved aren't? So I maintain what I said, at the end of the gen all will have a comparable number of worthwile exclusives.

My list of highly rated games fromlast gen includes 360/PC games, I didn't discriminate. I even counted Kinect games. No Man's Sky is releasing retail is it not? I'm only counting games available at retail. Indie games do mean something, but I can't give as much hype for Resogun as I can for Uncharted.

As for the Metacritic list, I wanted to cut it off at 90+, but there wasn't a huge difference so I went down to 80. 80+ is highly rated, below that would be a B which is just above average. As for your examples, those are terrible Gears Judgement made me, a hardcore Gears fan, give up on the franchise. Heavenly Sword is a 5 hour game and Blue Dragon is meh. Wii Fit on the other hand is actually pretty fun, have you ever played it? It sold 20 million plus, I don't think it's a bad game.

Tales of Xillia and Vesperia deserve credit, Japanese RPG's often get lower metascores then they should, but the fact that they don't make the cut off would put XB360 is a worse position. Tales of Vesperia didn't make the cut, but neither did Fire Emblem, or Pandora's Tower for the Wii.

As for that link, so much wrong with what you said.

a) That list is not a list of every game announced at E3, it's a list of games total. I said at E3, Nintendo announced the most, meaning that they are taking on more and more new projects. Sony and XB announced about 16 retail games each, where Nintendo announced closer to 30.

b) That list includes a lot of hypothetical games. You can't count an "annanounced IP" or "Hiring AAA Devs with at Least 8  years of Experience" or "Retro Studio's next game" because you don't know if it's going to happen and when. I mean Black Tusk was suppost to make a new Halo-level IP and scrapped it for Gears.

c) Even if you take that list, scrap out games which haven't officially been announced, you will see WiiU still has the most coming.

XB1 - 11
PS4 - 13 (+2 Vita)
WiiU - 11 (+4 3DS).... and WOW they are missing a lot of WiiU games. Here's a list

Sonic Boom
Kirby
Project Guard
Project Giant Robot
Yoshi
Devil's Third
Fatal Frame V
Dragon Quest X (been talk about localization for WiiU with DLC)

Nintendo announced more games, I'd have to look some up, but for now I showed that WiiU is at 18 overall, which is about 1.5 times as much as PS4/XB1. See how WiiU is on top? Just like the Wii was?