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spurgeonryan said:

http://news.yahoo.com/video/timeline-michael-brown-shooting-ferguson-061025136.html

 

Why would this Officer do this? What is going to solve the problem there?

wow, talk about a complete lack a journalistic integrity.  That story is and will always will be complete BS I can't believe Yahoo would post that, how did they put that together and not say "wait a minute...none of this makes sense?"  Nice to see they gave almost no effort to the more likely real story...so I'll give it here.  Officer wilson drove by and saw two kids walking in the middle of the street (12 eye witnesses say the teens were obstructing up to three cars)  the office made the horrible mistake of pulling up along side Michael Brown and asking him to get over to the sidewalk.  Being a teen who shows little respect to anyone Michael Brown probably lips off a few choice words.  At this Officer Wilson makes another mistake of trying to get out of his vehichle way to close to Michael brown who slams the door back at the office pushing towards the passenger side of the vehichle.  Brown lunges into the vehichle hitting officer wilson with his right hand and breaking his orbital socket.  They both reach for the officers gun which eventually dishcharges (either hitting Michael Brown or scaring the crap out of him).  Michael turns to run but is told to stop ( no shots are fired while Michael's back is turned accoring to the autopsy and twelve eye witnesses)  Michael turns and says something to the officer and begins to charge (confirmed by the autopsy) officer wilson fires six times with bullets hitting his right arm and head as Brown rushes him.

 

Side note, had this officer not made the fatal mistake of getting to close to his suspect from the very beginning chances are this stop would have resulted in Michael brown in handcuffs for robbery and failure to comply with an officer's commands with the help of much needed back up.  it is a shame that an officer failed to do his job correctly and it is a greater shame that Michael Brown chose to attack an officer resluting in the loss of his life, there is no winner here except for the liberal elite who love a good race baiting narative.



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cannonballZ said:
No matter what Brown may have done, the cop was wrong shooting him 6 times.

Why couldn't he just wound Brown?

Brown was unarmed, no need for 6 shots if you were trained to shoot. The cop should be tried for homicide.

It's this kind of attitude that makes my blood boil. I am assuming you have never been in a situation like the one the police officer was in have you? He had just been beaten in the face so  brutally that his orbital bone was fractured. He pointed his pistol at the young man and ordered him to freeze. Instead of freezing and putting his hands up like most sane people would do when a gun is pointed directly at them, this fine young gentleman decided to rush towards the officer and was SHOT as ANYONE would have been BLACK OR WHITE. I am sure after being assaulted and having a rather large angry person rushing toward you with intent to do great bodily harm as he had previously demonstrated he was capable of doing, the officer thought to himself "gee, I am going ot try to aim in a spot that would only wound him." Right? ...Right? Makes total sense...



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Whatever set the spark off, the Ferguson Police Department still has a LOT to answer for for their appalling treatment of protestors and the press

The entire department should be handed their walking papers from the top down, because they'll never have the community's trust ever again otherwise.



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bobfulci said:
cannonballZ said:
No matter what Brown may have done, the cop was wrong shooting him 6 times.

Why couldn't he just wound Brown?

Brown was unarmed, no need for 6 shots if you were trained to shoot. The cop should be tried for homicide.

It's this kind of attitude that makes my blood boil. I am assuming you have never been in a situation like the one the police officer was in have you? He had just been beaten in the face so  brutally that his orbital bone was fractured. He pointed his pistol at the young man and ordered him to freeze. Instead of freezing and putting his hands up like most sane people would do when a gun is pointed directly at them, this fine young gentleman decided to rush towards the officer and was SHOT as ANYONE would have been BLACK OR WHITE. I am sure after being assaulted and having a rather large angry person rushing toward you with intent to do great bodily harm as he had previously demonstrated he was capable of doing, the officer thought to himself "gee, I am going ot try to aim in a spot that would only wound him." Right? ...Right? Makes total sense...


Only problem is those are not the facts those are assumptions there are a LOT of holes on both sides of the story. One fact remains is that this office DID NOT handle the situation correctly and it resulted in a loss of life. As for the office being "beaten" that is also speculation because HE LEFT THE SCENE of the shooting BEFORE an ambulance or anything could get there. Then a freaking WEEK afterwards he has all these injuries? And even if he did get "beaten" that still DOES NOT warrant him shooting someone 7 times. That is what his tazer or pepper spray was for to subdue the suspect. Was MB an angel? No probably not....did he deserve to die in this manner DEFINITELY not. 

So don't say this makes your blood boil MOST of us have been in "fights" and have even got beat but didn't feel it was to the point that we needed to unload a gun to defend ourselves....there is NO EXCUSE for this....none. And I have to ask do you REALLY beleive that after MB was already shot and wouned. That he was running turned BACK around to a cop with a loaded gun( that he has just got shot with mind you)pointed at him and charged at him? That makes ZERO sense....this whole situation is messed up and not a lot of sense is being made with this case at all. The facts on both sides are all speculation....nothing concrete other than MB getting gunned down.....



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Mr Khan said:
Whatever set the spark off, the Ferguson Police Department still has a LOT to answer for for their appalling treatment of protestors and the press

The entire department should be handed their walking papers from the top down, because they'll never have the community's trust ever again otherwise.


I agree with this post 110% the things that they have said and the way they have acted is RIDICULOUS and they need to be held accountable. 



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BeElite said:
cannonballZ said:
BeElite said:


Cops are not trained to shoot to wound.  And they are trained to waste their clip if threatened to enusre their safty.  

Thsi is not hollywood, where the nice cop shoots a dude in the arm and all is well.  


Well then, that sure needs to be changed. First time I've heard they're not trained to wound, but even if they aren't they are trained to shoot. The officer had a choice there, he did not have to kill Brown.

When you are trained to shoot, its with one out come in mind.  You survive.

What chocie ? figth hand to hand with a linebacker looking huge dude and his friend so 2vs1 ?

Right, and that does not mean killing the other person or emptying your clip if a lesser action will do it. Cops absolutely do not have shoot to kill orders where every time they fire their weapon the aim is to kill the target. That is simply not a credible policing policy and it is socially unacceptable. There is clearly an element of judgement as to the degree of force that a cop will use, including when firing their gun at someone. And it is accepted that in the heat of the moment even an intent to woud can end up killing someone. But on the face of it 6 shots into the guy seems excessive and there would have to be considerable extenuating circumstances to justify that level of force. Clearly no one on this thread as all the facts, and only a trial, or official enquiry will come close to the facts. But a properly trained cop should be able to stop 99% of threats from a single person with 3 shots hitting centre mass. 6 shots is suggestive of an emotional response, not a cop in control of himself.



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Why isn't it mandotory for cops in the US to go on patrol with a partner.. Its a rule here in my country.. Would prevent a lot of problems..



 

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cannonballZ said:


You are correct, they are trained to kill...

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/police-deadly-force_n_5693020.html

 

I think it's really dumb that police are trained to kill a threat, un unarmed threat. I would agree with it if the guy in question was armed, but Brown wasn't armed and aren't officers trained for combat also? 

Didn't Brown have his hands in the air?

I don't know all the facts and I am going to pretend I do, but I disagree with taking a life. 


Yeah, and he got shot once in the front, then ran and was killed by being shot several times in the back while trying to run from this murderous cop according to his friend and eye witnesses.

Oh wait

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/18/county-investigation-michael-brown-was-shot-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system/

no he didn't.



NiKKoM said:
Why isn't it mandotory for cops in the US to go on patrol with a partner.. Its a rule here in my country.. Would prevent a lot of problems..


depends on the area. but many places do require two. But in more rural areas it probably ins't fiscally possible. The US is a huge area, and if you're not in a big city than things can be very spread out. But i believe he did have a partner in this case.