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DonFerrari on 20 August 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:
DonFerrari said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

This is a perplexing situation Sony is in. No one knows why the PS4 is selling so well. The software certainly isn't why, otherwise the PS4 attachment rates would be higher. The highest selling game is COD at 2.5 million copies. Meanwhile, the PS4 has sold roughly 10 million units.


Do you have any data proving that 3 SW per Hw sold is bad 9 months in the gen?


I didn't say it was bad, however, according to VGC, the software attach rate on the PS4 is lower than that of the Vita and the Wii U.

Claming selling isn't because of SW because if it were the attach ratio would be higher is basically saying it is bad.

Vita and WiiU attach ratio is higher because of more time on the market. Or would you say the Wii didn't sold based on good games because Ps360 have better attach ratio?

Please show evidence that having 3 games per hw sold for a 9 months old system is bad or cut your anti-sony preaching.





duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Hardcore_gamer on 20 August 2014

Because ps3 owners don't enjoy their console anymore and they buying ps4 and Xbox one will sell better when people get bored of Xbox 360



QuintonMcLeod on 20 August 2014
DonFerrari said:

1) Claming selling isn't because of SW because if it were the attach ratio would be higher is basically saying it is bad.

2) Vita and WiiU attach ratio is higher because of more time on the market. Or would you say the Wii didn't sold based on good games because Ps360 have better attach ratio?

3) Please show evidence that having 3 games per hw sold for a 9 months old system is bad or cut your anti-sony preaching.

1) If software was selling the PS4, then please tell me... Which software is selling the PS4? The highest selling PS4 exclusive is Killzone at 1.82 million according to VGC.

2) That's not true. The PS4 has outsold the Wii U a few months ago. Mario Kart 8 had released to an install base of 6.5 million people. The PS4 was at 8 million at that time. Mario Kart 8 outsold Killzone and Second Son - both of which were out on the market longer than Mario Kart 8 - all within in 3 days. 

Even New Super Luigi U, which was basically just retail DLC for New Super Mario Bros U, outsold Infamous: Second Son; a PS4 exclusive! 

Also, I would hope the PS360 would have a higher attach rate since they're both over 80 million sold - but if we're going to talk about last gen, then we'd have to include the original Wii, which had a higher attach rate than the PS360, but that's another conversation for another time.

3) Once again, it's not bad - but considering that the Wii U is at 7 games per system, that is very worrying at 10 million units sold!



teigaga on 20 August 2014
thismeintiel said:
LMAO at those saying hype. Hype doesn't last for almost a year (though I know you'll still be using the hype excuse for a year+.) If it was truly just hype, people would be disappointed within a couple of months, then switch to another console, the one you THINK is better. No, the reason the PS4 is selling so well is because of the PS brand and how it delivers each gen. It also helps that the PS4 is the most powerful console this gen and launched at a good price.

Oh Come on, hype is unedniably a huge part of it. I refuse to believe that the casual consumer is splashing out 400 to play a slightly prettier version of Watchdogs.

All of those things you highlighed merely contribute towards the hype, consoles are long term investments and  alot of people are anticipating greatness and I think that warrants their purchase.. The 7 year cycle has also clearly created a huge appetite for newness amongst core gamers.

As far as people expressing dissapointment, we've aleady seen that and Yoshida been prompted numerous times to defend the lack of big games on the PS4 and he just points to 3rd party cross gen titles. Ultimately though, 9months isn't that long in context of a consoles lifecycle. I really doubt the PS4 could sustain its current sales for much more then a year without having to seriously up its game in terms software. Luckily 2015's lineup is looking incredible.



small44 on 20 August 2014

The opposite of why Vita is selling bad



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

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theprof00 on 20 August 2014

At Sony HQ (now moved to the Love Hotel on the corner, Shibuya Japan):
Kaz: So, why is PS4 selling so well?
Yoshida: It's clear that gamers are attracted to our amazing first and third party game lineup.
Kaz: *laughs*



DonFerrari on 20 August 2014
QuintonMcLeod said:
DonFerrari said:

1) Claming selling isn't because of SW because if it were the attach ratio would be higher is basically saying it is bad.

2) Vita and WiiU attach ratio is higher because of more time on the market. Or would you say the Wii didn't sold based on good games because Ps360 have better attach ratio?

3) Please show evidence that having 3 games per hw sold for a 9 months old system is bad or cut your anti-sony preaching.

1) If software was selling the PS4, then please tell me... Which software is selling the PS4? The highest selling PS4 exclusive is Killzone at 1.82 million according to VGC.

2) That's not true. The PS4 has outsold the Wii U a few months ago. Mario Kart 8 had released to an install base of 6.5 million people. The PS4 was at 8 million at that time. Mario Kart 8 outsold Killzone and Second Son - both of which were out on the market longer than Mario Kart 8 - all within in 3 days. 

Even New Super Luigi U, which was basically just retail DLC for New Super Mario Bros U, outsold Infamous: Second Son; a PS4 exclusive! 

Also, I would hope the PS360 would have a higher attach rate since they're both over 80 million sold - but if we're going to talk about last gen, then we'd have to include the original Wii, which had a higher attach rate than the PS360, but that's another conversation for another time.

3) Once again, it's not bad - but considering that the Wii U is at 7 games per system, that is very worrying at 10 million units sold!

WiiU have sold 49M Sw? So for you ps4 isn't selling for the games, so the same is valid for WiiU that have so many great games but still don't sell Hw. Today we learnt that sw don't sell hw.

Do you understand what attach ratio means? How much sw were sold relative to hw. If you new it you wouldn't say Wii attach ratio is greater than x360 or ps3. X360 have a better ratio than even PS2 (around 10,5 for 360 but ps2 is like 9,5).

All console increase the attach ratio over time until stability close to gen end. I have about 150 (120 retail) games for ps3 and just 1 for Ps4 and that isn't because of lack of game.

Mk8 was launched after a drought of several months, is one of the top franchises for ninty and were bundled like crazy. Do you think Wii Sports would sell 80M without bundle or that it is better than galaxy because sold 3x more? Or that the main reason for Wii selling was it? If you take the mandatory bundles from Wii the attach ratio would drop to 7 so I guess it wasn't bought for the games but just the hype right?





duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Smear-Gel on 20 August 2014
ExplodingBlock said:
Generic Nintendo Fanboy: Idiots, it is only selling cuz of hype, watch it die in 2015 haahahah



Or just people with different opinions?



Doctorslim on 20 August 2014

You know, I thought and I thought and finally came up with the answer that makes perfect sense. Variety. The PS4 is a system with gaming variety, much more than the Xbox One or Wii U. This would also explain why there's such a low attachment rate to games, yet selling so well



Zekkyou on 20 August 2014
Hardcore_gamer said:

Because ps3 owners don't enjoy their console anymore and they buying ps4 and Xbox one will sell better when people get bored of Xbox 360

Seeing as the PS3 has been selling more games on a weekly basis than the 360 for a while, that doesn't seem to be the case. If people were bored of the PS3 (compared to the 360), they'd be buying less games, not more :p

It does make sense though. The PS3 has been the more popular console in recent years and the 360 is older. It makes sense that the average current PS3 owners would currently be more satisfied (thus buy more games).