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thismeintiel said:

Of course the same people who excused MS making them pay for online, without giving anything in return, or going to excuse 3rd parties for doing these subs just cause its exclusive to the One. Thank God the PS4 is stomping the competition and Sony said no. The sales gap is going to make it suicidal to put their DLC and extra content behind their subscriptions, so they'll still be available on the PS4, but some will be put behind the wall on the One. So what may seem like a plus for the One, now, will eventually just be a negative.

Yeah I mean thank God there is a big corporation around seeing some success and using that market power to dictate control over consumers content. Yay for consumers!

Whats funny is when you sit and praise Sony for telling you EA's service isn't a value for you and thus you aren't allowed to have it, you're expressing the exact same type of corporate compliance you're making smarmy remarks towards Xbox users for supposedly doing. And the type of content control Sony flexed with EA Access is the exact type of stuff MS tried with the Xbone reveal :)



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Goatseye said:
DerNebel said:

And you think that EA Access' primary focus is to offer you free games? No, it's for you to buy more EA content digitally. EA Access is a service that clearly shares a lot with PS+ and Gold, you get free games of the publishers choosing and deals with it and the whole multiplayer thing is exactly what people are worried about EA will do, hiding content of their games behind this subscription and since we're talking about freaking EA here, this is something I can easily see them doing.

I brought facts, you just chose to ignore them and post completely senseless bullshit.

What is this crap about the clause for using the MS servers to download the games? The clause is "release your game on our machine and give us a cut of every game sold" it has been that way ever since digital downloading on consoles began. Why do you think people constantly pointed out how downloads are much faster on 360 than PS3? It was because they had better servers and it certainly wasn't the third parties that provided these better servers on 360.

Now for reasons why it is completely irrational to expect similar prices:

1. PSNow server costs.

Even if, which is not the case, we assume that EA has to pay for the servers on their service directly, then every download would still just be a one time  transaction. Every time you use PSNow you're using Sonys servers to stream the game. What do you think is more expensive for the server holder? One 30GB download or streaming a game let's say for one week/3 hours a day? You can say that is not your problem, but that would be just stupid, the cost of a service or good always influence its price and PSNow has way higher costs. You wouldn't say that a taxi should be as expensive as riding the bus, because both basically take you somewhere.

2. The actual service.

I already said it, but I'll say it again, if you compare the services for what they actually do, then they are hardly alike at all. PSNow lets you (or will let you) stream your games to several different devices, you basically get the hardware to play the games with the games, EA Access lets you download games on your X1. You have a way bigger collection of games from different publishers to choose from and it is actually completely yours to choose which game you want to pay for (and for how long) on PSNow, on EA Access you pay for the whole vault, even if you possibly only want one game out of it.

Where did I implied EA Access focus is to offer free games? What content is EA hidind here? Do you predict future to be judging EA preemptively?

You didn't bring any facts. No links, no articles, no hard evidence to show that EA does not pay for MS server usage.

All you doing is implying that EA doesn't pay for MS servers, although you never showed anything to back it up. I, as well implied that EA doesn't pay for servers but in the business clause they have with MS, it allows MS to bundle Fifa with Xbox in Europe for free. My words in this case have as much weight as yours.

1. Here you slamed your foot in your mouth by comparing Taxi to bus, two forms of public transportation. So you admit that PSNow and EA Access are two forms of game rental service, which the latter delivers it through the download form and the other through streaming. It gets even more similar when according to you guys Sony is taking a monthly/yearly subs into account. That was our main topic. As for the price? I don't give a rats tits about their cost of operation again, who does? My concern is the bill and EA Access seems more friendly to my wallet; they have the best soccer sim, one of the best FPSs, a fun Arcade racing game and more future games to come for $5 a month.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought that the simple usage of logic would be enough, sure maybe EA has to let MS bundle Fifa for free so they can let people download games on the Xbox through MS servers, let's completely ignore that literally every digital game on Xbox or PS is downloaded through MS or Sonys servers, no let's act as if there is logical reason to assume that EA had to give Fifa to MS for the use of a feature that every developer gets for simple royalties.

1. Great job concentrating on the example I used to highlight nothing more than the fact that you wouldn't pay the same for two services, when you know that they mean completely different costs for the provider. Also, everybody that claims to not consider the production costs of a product when talkng about its price is lying to themselves, you wouldn't go and complain to MS about the X1 being more expensive than the 360 either, because you know that it's more expensive to make the X1. Also I don't give a fuck about your "EA Access is great for me"-speech. It appeals to you? Fine, I don't care, but stop acting as if the EA Access and PSNow comparison has any merit, cause it doesn't at all.

And if there is one company that fully deserves to be judged preemptively then it's EA, they deserve absolutely no level of trust, why would I trust a company that is right now refusing reviewers to review The Sims 4 before release? And who has a huge history of anticonsumer bullshit?



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DerNebel said:

Still waiting on the evidence you said you showed me. You know, about EA not paying for MS servers.

If we preemptively label and judge companies for past mistakes, there will be no publishers to trust in this industry.

The reason EA Access gets flak is everything but the value of their service or the welfare of the gaming industry.



Goatseye said:

I don't have cable tv. Even if I had I wouldn't pay $39.95 monthly to unlock ESPN 3, BeINSports, Fox Soccer, etc...

I watch my games every week end live, and on week days because I don't have time I can watch the replays of Champions League and Liga Europa.

Wait...do you have an ESPN3 ISP affiliate for your internet, then? I just saw on the ESPN App's page on Xbox.com that for live and On-Demand games, you log in with an ESPN3.com-affiliated internet service provider.

That just means, though, that you pay for your internet and your ISP provides you with the perk of all those games by being partnered with ESPN. That has nothing to do with Microsoft "give you anything in return". Long story short, you have to log in in some manner to the ESPN App via a service you already pay for to get the sports (whether it be your television provider or apparently, select ISPs). What, do you think if you just get XBL, you get a bunch of free basketball, baseball, football, etc? No, you have to already pay for that in some way, then pay for XBL again to access the ESPN App to watch what you have already paid for......before the policy reversal 



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BMaker11 said:

Get it on PS or Nintendo [latform then and tell me how it looks.



Goatseye said:
BMaker11 said:
 

Get it on PS or Nintendo [latform then and tell me how it looks.

Ahhh....I figured it out, but the argument is still in my favor, so you [attempt to] change the goalpost.

Guess I'm done here



Goatseye said:
BMaker11 said:
 

Get it on PS or Nintendo [latform then and tell me how it looks.

Errrr I don't think Sony or Nintendo thought it was a value to their customers.

Hey good thing he's done talking about policies and standards that have expired or been changed and are 100% irrelevant to EA Access. Maybe we can get back on topic.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Goatseye said:
BMaker11 said:
 

Get it on PS or Nintendo [latform then and tell me how it looks.

Errrr I don't think Sony or Nintendo thought it was a value to their customers.

Hey good thing he's done talking about policies and standards that have expired or been changed and are 100% irrelevant to EA Access. Maybe we can get back on topic.

Too bad it was completely on topic to Xbox fans giving a pass to things people should disagree about. I don't care that those policies have been changed. You guys still supported Netflix/Hulu/ESPN/whatever to be behind a paywall...services you already pay for. In the context of "of course the same people who excused MS making them pay for online, without giving anything in return, are going to excuse 3rd parties for doing these subs just cause its exclusive to the One", it was pretty relevant. He was going on about how XBL "gave him something in return" in the form of the ESPN App which "let's him watch MLS, Portuguese League, NFL, NBA, etc", as if his XBL sub got him those games, when in actuality, apparently, his ISP got him those games

Try and keep up before being sarcastic.



I just don't believe Ubi is above putting content exclusively behind this future service.



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