Wait a moment, something isn't right here. I'll explain.

Club is more or less an experiment by Nintendo over how people will react to a new pricing model ($1.99 day pass, $9.99 club pass for one sport). Well, sooner or later they realized that they badly needed retail releases, and released the complete collection on retail (after the release of the final sport on the eShop, naturally.) for $40.

Take note! The original Wii Sports was bundled with the Wii, giving the impression that it was "free." Wii Sports Club was released far after the original Wii Sports and Wii Sport Resort. I don't see it as a cash grab in that sense, but...

...It was a cash grab in the sense that it got a retail release announced after the digital versions had already been released. The same was true for the NES Remixes.

And, that, my friend, is why I consider retail Wii Sports Club to be as bad a cash grab as TLoU:R. A lot of people prefer physical ovr digital, you know. I purchase the PS3 version, and only then do they announce the PS4 version?!

Did insiderp tell you that? You say it was obvious but you have no proof. No insider information. Because you know if it wasn't planed before the release then you have no leg to stand on. And you have no evidence of that primary claim.

I'm saying they are both bad in a sense. You could use that same rationalization on TLOU:RE because no other remakes have been made as close to the original release as this one. Can we really suggest that waiting longer to release TLOU:RE would make more sense? And frankly your decision to buy the PS3 version was required owning a PS3, yet that PS3 version was only GOTY till after the PS4 released.

Even if you bought TLOU after the PS4 released, can you really say that you would by a PS4 for TLOU? Cause that game was heavily underated until it won like 200 awards. The only reason a dev would make a lauch exclusive is if Sony paid for the losses the game would see by selling on a platform with no user base. Look at what happened to Knack, why do you think ISS wasn't a launch title and instead a launch window title.

The same justification could be used to defend  TLOU:RE.

And regardless of whether or not  its an experiment, its still a cash grab for the orignal owners of the game.

Thus, Sony and Nintendo are both guilty of it, Microsoft probably not but they have done many other things anyway. To suggest that Sony is the devil because of TLOU:RE is ridiculous.

And this offtopicness has gone far enough.

TLOU:RE will always have the haters, but its not like they are doing shit and they aren't even making good points for their claim.

I mean surely making you buy the game for entire generation to get the maximum sales of a game, and then remaking it to get even more sales is worse then a couple people double dipping over a couple of months.

And Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft have all made remakes, making you buy generation old games again. Where is that touted backwards compatibility for Wii Sports?

It's common sense. It takes longer than 3 months for a game to go from first being concieved to hitting store shelves.

WOW, this is insane.

You do realize that the only reason TLOU:RE for PS4 was because fans begged for it, specially new PlayStation owners that didn't have a PS3. After hearing all the praise people wanted to play it but didn't want to get a PS3 on top of a PS4.

It's not selling *that* well actually and he knows that. This is just marketing. The PS4 is selling way below the PS2 (200k-300k per week), the Wii (300k-400k a week) and the DS (400k-500k a week) and even the PS3 sold better than it after the 2009 redesign. It's not selling bad either but they sure as hell didn't expect it to sell any less. They had problems manufacturing the console at first but that's totally normal for Sony - the PSP and PS3 were delayed in Europe because of the very same reason.

Still looking forward to my white PS4 though

Whose common sense is that? Unless you're a developer, you are have no idea how long development periods are and are just guessing. Development periods vary based on team size the scale of the project, the platforms its on, whether or not it has a fanbase, their are a variety of factors involved.
Ludum Dare for instance is a game making competition in where the participants have 24 hours to make a game.

Not to mention, TLOU:RE released 8 months, and 15 days after the PS4 in North America, announced 4 months after the PS4 launched.

UncleScrooge said: It's not selling *that* well actually and he knows that. This is just marketing. The PS4 is selling way below the PS2 (200k-300k per week), the Wii (300k-400k a week) and the DS (400k-500k a week) and even the PS3 sold better than it after the 2009 redesign. It's not selling bad either but they sure as hell didn't expect it to sell any less. They had problems manufacturing the console at first but that's totally normal for Sony - the PSP and PS3 were delayed in Europe because of the very same reason. Still looking forward to my white PS4 though

The weekly sales mean nothing its the LTD that matters.

PS4 from November 15 to August was at at least 10 million

PS3 aligned launched about 4 days earlier that PS4 and buy September 30 it was at 5.63 million.

The Wii launch aligned 4 days after PS4 till september 30 it was at 13.7 million.

We don't have info on the PS2, but the PS2 first year was its worst and so it was vastly outsold by the Wii, since the PS4 is so close to the Wii its likely that PS4 is past PS2 as well.

Further saying something like its not selling that will, is silly because unless you're comparing it to something it doesn't mean anything. The only thing aligned that sold aligned more than the PS4 aligned was the Wii, it is selling better than everything else.

You seriously think TLOU wasn't planned prior to its April announcement?

Anyway, we're going in circles on this. How about another anti-consumer move; making PSN a paid subscription service when it was originally free.

Dr.Henry_Killinger said: UncleScrooge said: It's not selling *that* well actually and he knows that. This is just marketing. The PS4 is selling way below the PS2 (200k-300k per week), the Wii (300k-400k a week) and the DS (400k-500k a week) and even the PS3 sold better than it after the 2009 redesign. It's not selling bad either but they sure as hell didn't expect it to sell any less. They had problems manufacturing the console at first but that's totally normal for Sony - the PSP and PS3 were delayed in Europe because of the very same reason. Still looking forward to my white PS4 though The weekly sales mean nothing its the LTD that matters. PS4 from November 15 to August was at at least 10 million PS3 aligned launched about 4 days earlier that PS4 and buy September 30 it was at 5.63 million. The Wii launch aligned 4 days after PS4 till september 30 it was at 13.7 million. We don't have info on the PS2, but the PS2 first year was its worst and so it was vastly outsold by the Wii, since the PS4 is so close to the Wii its likely that PS4 is past PS2 as well. Further saying something like its not selling that will, is silly because unless you're comparing it to something it doesn't mean anything. The only thing aligned that sold aligned more than the PS4 aligned was the Wii, it is selling better than everything else.

It is not selling better than everything else, not even close. It simply had a lot of pent-up demand. Right now (for the last few months) the PS4 is selling at a good but not spectacular level. There is nothing wrong with that. Your argument reminds me of the people who defended the 3DS sales: It was clear from the start the console would sell much less than the DS but people ignored the weekly sales numbers and instead pointed to the slow start of the DS. Same will happen to the PS4: Right now its LTD sales are up there with some great selling consoles but its weekly sales are very consistent and way below the Wii, DS or PS2.